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I went to Yeshiva Toras Chaim on Belmont St in East New York in the late 1950's. My second grade Rebbe was mentally unbalanced. One of his bizarre rules was that no boy was allowed to go to the bathroom. No exceptions. If you had to pish, you had to pish in your pants. Then as a punishment, you were undressed before the class, your pants and underwear were left to dry, and you wore the Rebbe's rain coat for the morning. A very effective way to teach talmidim Bladder control.

 

I sometimes wonder if reading this blog qualifies me as being more bored than you are.

 

My pre-1A rebbe in Ber Shmuel (now extinct), Rabbi K. He had three different size sticks and also a wooden ruler. What could a Pre-1A do that would deserve to be hit by these sticks and rulers?

I am 30+ y/o and still remember.

 

I was in the Lakewood cheder in the mid eighties. One rebbe was worse than the next. My 4th grade rebbe was a monster - beat the snot out of us - my third grade rebbe was incompetent, my second grade rebbe liked me a little too much (if you know what I mean). Though my first grade rebbe (now a principal) was great.

 

Mt mehdi, why the anonimoty for Rabbi Kugelman? Ber Shmuel may be extinct, but Rabbi K is still around. These sadists should be exposed. I never even had him as a Rebbi, but I think he ran the lunches or something. My palm still stings. It's amazing any of us are still Frum.

 

Baal Habbos:

I'm surprised you knew who I was talking about. I didn't realize how infamous he is. Where you in his class too? He didn't even bother to hide the 3 different size sticks, he had them hanging on the wall for all to see.

I'm not very frum anymore, but that has more to do with YTV.

 

if they could be normal people in society and have a real job they wouldnt be rebbes.

 

I'm surprised Ephraim Birnhak of YYT didn't make it to the top 3 posts. He had 2x4 wood beams in the room. Each 1 had a specific use written on them. Lying, nivul pe etc. The sadist had u kiss the stick and thank him for the beating u got with it. If u wet or soiled your pants (4-5 year olds were dealing with here!) he had u sit in the hall crying your head off in humiliation. I watched boy's spirits so crushed they never recovered to become normal members of society. All staff that winessed it are accomplices to the crime. But I'm not surprised,at the time they were all social misfits who couldn't get a decent job. The old bag is still there. I'm not to resentful of him since g-d has exacted over him his due revenge. He as acumulated enough tzoris to fill a book.

 

Lets not forget Rabbi "Joe" Klein OB"M. He was the principle of the Mirrer Yeshiva Highschool for 40+ years.

His all time favorite was "watch the keys, jackass" (he would then toss his keys into the air) hewhile your eyes would follow his keys.. he would beat the shi* out of you cheeks.
On the way out of the office a usual ear pulling was applied for good measure!

May he rot in HELL!

 

When I was in YTT my rebbe frasked me.... Then we kissed and made up.

 

Guys, I never posted on this blog before, but I do follow along. With regard to this blog (and similar blogs, re: subject abuse in any form, but especially physical/sexual abuse in the frum community/ yeshivos), I am appalled by what goes on in our yeshiva institutions. This is not new, there have been sadist teachers and rebbes employed for years while principals and administrations looked the other way. I am truly sorry for every slap, nick, push, shove, incident, embarrasment, and other form of abuse or neglect that you gentlemen and former yeshiva talmidim/ talmidos had to endure. The only thing is, and this is the point of my post, that at this point in our lives, (and I include myself, as one who is 30 +, and has experienced personal share of grief and pain at the hands of others) that you can't keep blaming another for your own shortcomings or disenchantment with yiddishkeit. Whatever happened in kindergarten, or grade school, or even high school, that will always be between you and the "other guy/girl", and G-d. G-d knows exactly what happened, and someday, somehow, everyone pays the price for their misdeeds. Your connection to yiddishkeit, or your level of frumkeit, should not be dependent solely on your experiences in pre-school or camp when you were a kid. By now you must know that there are good Jews out there. You know that although there are too many predators and abusers in our community, there are many more good, honest, straight-laced, clean living individuals. I definitely count myself part of this group. By the same token, I have experienced things at the hands of teachers (in a Bais Yaakov school) that I should not have had to endure. Who is to blame? I can blame the teacher, the principal, my parents - for not demanding that I be taken out of the class, my friends for not standing up for me, the list goes on and on...but after a while (I guess maturity has something to do with it) one comes to the conclusion that the sins of others are just that: the sins of others. They have nothing to do with me. This is my choice. I can choose to wallow in misery, play the blame game, find excuses for not being "frum" or a good Jew, but, in the end, I'd only be fooling myself. Ultimately, each person has a choice: if you want to have a connection to G-d, on any level (I'm not preaching frumkeit) it is each person's choice. When one is an adult, he/she no longer has to bend in step to the rebbe or the teacher, you can "live by the rules" and live like a mentch and never mind the idiot next door. (there are many, and there's hardly anything anyone can do about that.)
I hope that everyone who is hurting will find peace and happiness from within real soon. Just know that it comes with time, effort, and a clear goal. All the best

 

I had some very bad experiences and I mean bad… in fact I had that shmuck twice…..you read right two years!!! but I must say that BH today I am very much frum, have frum children in an excellent school! Being one who got the daylights beat out of me I don’t see the point of posting stories. We the unfortunate who got wiped need to get over it. Of course I would love to meet that Rebbe and ask him if he still wants to attempt to touch me today BUT the system HAS changed and we have to try to forget. It won’t benefit us to remember.

 

Libby,

You raise a very good point and I thank you for your comment. You do have to keep in mind that when you are in Yeshiva, you tend to blame the religion for the misdeeds of other "frum looking" Jews. Once you are out of the system the internal, spiritual damage has been done, and it's difficult to reverse it.

To further complicate matters, as an adult I see so much hypocracy from the "frum looking" crowd that it's difficult to separate the people from the religion.

 

I propose a rabbi beating every Monday and Thursday starting after Shavuot.

 

Is there any constructive purpose in this thread -- other than perhaps allowing people to vent their real, imagined, or contived grievances, all under the cover of anonimity.
This is not to say that all the stories are untrue, and there are no problems.
This MO leads to no constructive change.

 

mt. mehdi, I hear you and I know where you're coming from. Unfortunately, I have to agree with you about the pretense and falseness out there. Still, I don't want to be repeating myself - and I know that it's very difficult to reverse damage, which is why I ended with, "it takes lots of effort, time, and a specific goal in mind", but I still feel that it's a personal choice whether or not someone wants to be religious, at any level. I heard this joke I love from Jeff Foxworthy: he joked about all the people that end up on Oprah and other talk shows blaming everyone (family, friends, bosses, etc) for all their problems....and wouldn't it be nice for someone to take responsibility for once and actually admit, "My Daddy was great, my Momma was great, I'm just a sh**head, that's all!"

Of course, I don't mean to imply that anyone here is a sh**head, I'm just trying to say, that it's a rule in life that people don't like to assume responsibility for their problems, their choices, their issues. It's so much easier to say, "if this would be different, or if that would have been different than I could've -would've - should've...."

Assuming responsibility is just one of the signs of having matured and grown up. It's also the first healthy step in moving forward.

Libby

 

Where the hell where you parents?

 

The purpose of this blog might be so some of these pathetic sniviling good for nothing animals in rabbi's cloth like Birnhack might be humbled by the perpetual damage and either apologize before he goes to his grave and hell or quit teaching so a 2nd and 3rd generation isn't the washboard of this piece of tinnif.

Would u mind someone beating your son so he comes home with 2x4 marks on him and the rabbi tell u your son should get over it by the time he is 30? U are so clueless u should send your kids to learn by Kolko 5 years in a row! Stupidity is a genetic marker of european jews as a result of asimilation and inbreeding.

 

while i agree thatt all adults are responsible for their own actions, sins of others' are just that, and that 30 year olds need to stop blaming otheres for their own shortcomings, the truth of the matter is that while one can do all these things, it is much more difficult to make up for years without a love for yiddishkeit, destoyed by an abusive rebbe. Even if you do seperate "jews from Judaism", it would have been years later after vast damage and even if you wre able to pick up where you left off, you would be on 3rd grade level of emunah, bitachon and ahavas H'

 

I was in Ohr Shraga Diviretzki (Landaus place) for 2 years. In pre-1-a (late 1980's) we had a rebbe/monster named Birnhak (I think he was a gerer chossid) who would beat the crap out of us with a drumstick (one kid he beat so badly that the drumstick snapped!) or sometimes he'd just bitchslap us around when he was bored. He was a baal tashchis freak and if we ever threw unfinished food into the trash he'd make us pull it back out and eat it (till this day I hate tomatoes because he made me dig into the trash can and eat a few rotten tomatos that I threw out). I don't know how they allowed this monster to be a rebbe to little 5 year old kids.

I dont remember his first name but I'm wondering if its the same Birnhak as mentioned above. This Birnhak Im talking about lived in Boro park and I remember he had a big black van. Anybody out there know if its him? Either way, let 'em rot in hell.

 

Does the name BRUCE/YISROEL KARP ring a bell to anyone?

If you had any experience with him, I would like to hear from you.

 

to all of you out there. if you had a problem with a rebbe either get over it or find out were he is today and confront him. by posting on this blog rebbes names this is pure LOSHON HORA. doesnt anyone realize how wrong this blog is? shame on all of you out there

 

"He was a baal tashchis freak and if we ever threw unfinished food into the trash he'd make us pull it back out and eat it "
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Might be a cooincidence, but Rabbi K. from Be'er Shmuel was very similar in this regard.

 

If you call this Loshon Hora, then you were never abused by a rebbe. I feel that it is a mitzvah to be Mefarseim these so called rebbes. If they did not hear until now, maybe now they will. On the Cheshbon of young jewish children, they are letting out their Rishus and other problems that they might have at home with their children, Parnosah, or Shalom Bayis etc. Let these rebbes confront their problems and try to deal with them as adults. Do not use these children that you were entrusted with as your scapegoats.

 

I posted a comment today on theunorthodoxjew blog today. My comment was very fair & honest. Although I don't know Kolko or Margulies personally, I do know that one of the accusations (unrelated to molest charge) UOJ accuses Margulies of, is Totally False. This I have firsthand knowlege of, as a close acquaintence of mine was involved on the deal. I posted this info, and UOJ has not posted, seemingly because he has no regard for the truth. Just wish to let everyone know.

 

i remember when this so calld rabbi sitorsky playd around with my sister and told her that he does it with a lot of yiddisha girls in a hotal איך פארשטיי ניט ווי אלע ראבנים זענן דער איז דאך א חרוב ומחריב. ער גיט שיעורים פאר פרויען? איז דאס נארמאל? ווען איך שעם זיך ניט וואלט איך געשריבן מיין שוועסטערס אין חברטעס נאמעןץ איך בעט זיך ביי אייך ווער עס קאן מיך העלפן ניט זיצן מיט פארלייגטע הענט

עם ברענט א פייער ראטעוועט הצלה הצלה

 

The menahel of Krasna Yeshiva in BP was an achzor gudol. His name was Nachum Klein. I think hes still there. He once beat 2 kids in Krasna summer camp vicously with tree branches for taking a walk int he vald (woods).

 

BEAWARE
OF THIS SHIGETZ SITORSKY HE FOOLS AROUND WITH HEIMISH GIRLS FROM FLATBUSH & BORO PARK & QUEENS KNOW WERE YOUR DOUGHTER IS HANGING AROUND. I READ ABOUT THIS MENUVAL AND YES IN DEED ITS LIDER TRUE. MY FRIEND'S DOUGHTER WAS ONE OF HIS VICTIMS SHE NEEDED AN ABORTION WITH THE HEITER FROM A GROUP OF RABONIM.
PLEASE FATHERS AND MOTHERS STAY AWAU FROM THIS MENUVAL FAR AWAY AND TELL YOUR FAMILY ABOUT THIS BEFORE ITS TO LATE

 

Some of these Rebbes were sadists no doubt. The def derived pleasure from the abuse.

I dont know what went on in the 'litvishe yeshivas' (we always thought of it as the greener other side where you can do anything u want) but in the chassidishe yeshivas half of the rebbes would or should be in prison for horrible child abuse.

 

Was the Birnhack you had in veretzky fat or skinny, about how old?

 

my brother went to yeshiva Yagdil torah (Ger) and had Birnhack also. I'll have to get more info about him tomorrow.

My brother is learning disabled and if I'm remembering things correctly, my mother went down to the school and raised hell until he was moved to a different class with a different rebbe. I can also try to get some information about how his life now specifically about his "tzurus"

All I can say is the rebbes were the least of my brother's problems. Yeshiva boys were very "kind" to learning disabled kids, and the rebbes really "cared" about it too.

 

Can't forget Rabbi Chaim Epstein, 7th grade rebbi at Breuers. Made my life hell.

 

What about the "rebbi" named Chaim Krause formerly of YOB. That guy Krause had his hands everywhere inappropriate, molestation was (is) his trade. Chaim Krause even tried molesting mothers that came to him for PTA! A relative complained to Rav Manis Mandel ZT"L that Chaim Krause was inappropriately involved with women etc. Rav Manis did investigate and found enough evidence to have him thrown out of YOB during the zman on Erev Shvuos '87. Chaim Krause then went on to teach at Mchon Bais Yaakov where he attempted to ply his "trade" until someone informed Rabbi Oelbaum who threw him out as well.

 

How about Rabbi Rosenberg, the 5th grade Rebbe abd Holocaust survivor in Chasam SOfer East Side in the late 50's, early 60's. He would roll a pencil down your knuckles while bearing his weight down on the pencil. He must have seen this in the concentration camp. The 3rd grade rebbe used a ruler for hitting fingers , palms and knuckles. It needed frequent replacing after getting broken.

 

Rabbi Kleinman of 7th and 8th grade Beer Shmuel in the early 60's. He was 250 lbs and 6'4. Great Rebbe in terms of learning but if you crossed him he would slap your face so hard your head rang. Then, under his desk for an hour or so or in his closet. Same if you left the yard during recess to get a ball that went over the fence. If he caught you, it was one hard slap that spun your head around and left your face red for a day.

 

FROM ALL THESE COMMENTS OF REBBES HITTING IN THE 50S 60S, SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES. ONE THING TAKE INTO ACCOUNT NO MATTER HOW SADISTIC THEY WHERE, MOST OF US TURNED OUT PRETTY GOOD. TODAY ITS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.HARDLY ANY REBBE RAISES A HAND TODAY TO A KID. PLUS THE REBBES ARE SCARED OF THE KIDS. THE MINUTE A REBBE JUST IGNORES A KID.THE NEXT THING YOU HEAR THE KID THREATENING A LAWSUIT FOR EMOTIONAL ABUSE..LOOK AROUND AT ALL THE PROBLEMS WE ARE WITNESSING TODAY.THE KIDS AT RISK,THE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL PROBLEMS.THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE REBBES OR PRINCIPALS.. THE PROBLEM IS AT THE DOORSTEP OF THE HOUSE THE CHILD COMES FROM..WHEN CLINTON WAS RUNNING AGAINST BUSH, HE USED FOUR WORDS ONLY."ITS THE ECONOMY, STUPID". WE COULD SAY THE SAMETHING TODAY.."ITS THE PARENTS, STUPID"THE PARENTS ARE TO BE BLAMED FOR ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, ITS THE HOUSE, THE PARENTS AND NOTHING ELSE.. THANK YOU..

 

please post more information on sitorsky i know a sitorsky from beyan yeshivah he was trashd from their for playing around with girls in the heimish crowd, my son told us he askd all the time about my doughters. b"h he did not get his mamzer's hand on our yiddish doughter's
please post more from him

 

by the way this sitroskey was cand as well from a safardis scholl for touching young girls

 

I AM FROM THE VAAD MISMERETH IN FLATBUSH AND YES THIS STORES IS EMES WE ARE WORKING VERY HARD ON THIS CASE
PLEAES PARENTS BE PATIOND TIME WILL TELL

 

THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, ITS THE HOUSE, THE PARENTS AND NOTHING ELSE.. THANK YOU..
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So, the parents are to blame when Kolko molested their children and Margulies protected him?

 

Libby - Right On.

Guy who said "Not Loshon hora" - Listen, not to minimze your pain and grief... but that is why you say it ain't loshon hora! You are too personally involved! Listen, I was in yeshiva and made to line against the wall with the rest of my class and was randmoly whacked with a gezunte ruler. That was in 7th grade.. Or how about one of those big blackboard pointers? I had seen many in my day broken over the hands or backs of...FIRST GRADERS...That is wrong, wrong, wrong... but ain't know reason to tell the names unless we are going to do something about it instead of just venting.
Keep the faith, homey's...

 

I was also by Ohr Schroga Veritski and had Birnhack. My parents, who got involved then told me that Rabbi Landau ztl (who was an excellent mechanach)dealt with the issues in an appropriate manner with the backing of gedolim and resolved the problem.

 

Turned out pretty good? What the hell are you talking about?! Many kids who've had these rebbeim went off the derech or became modern as a result of having these monsters as rebbes. At best, they're still frum but are turned off from learning (myself included).

 

Re: Birnhak in veretzky:

He was relativly young (in late 80's). Rumor was he was divorced. He'd wear his pants in his socks. He had dark (black or brown) colored hair/beard. He was of average weight and height and drove a black conversion van.

 

Interesting, I though Rabbi Kleinman was wonderful. I don't remember him hitting anyone, ever. I remember him fondly.

Libby and anon, I imagine that most of us that did go thru these rough rebbeim turned out OK and Frum, and that's probably because overall we were good students. A poor student that was constantly being beat up, well that's a different story.

Then there was that other animal, in that same yeshiva Beer Shmuel - Rabbi Glick. I remember him jumping over a desk to slap a kid, the kid's face was red for a day.

 

I attended Stolin in the 70's and early 80's. one rebbe had his favorite korbonos. the class would watch while he called this kid up to the front and slapped him repeatedly all the while asking which of the frasks hurt the most. i would be shocked if these guys are still frum today.

 

ITs the parents and the Rebbes. Each bear responsibility. If the parents are no good but the Rebbes are good, they might overweigh. And the reverse. But bottom line, physical and/or sexual abuse has no room in todays home or Yeshiva. Period.
A child has enough to cope with from the outside world, internet, drugs, etc without having to also bear abuse. Sure some will turn out bad regardless. But how many more turn out bad because the abuse pushes them away from the Home or Yeshiva or Yiidishkeit?

 

Anon, I am really under the impression that all these physical abuse, slapping around, hitting with a "Shtekken" are things of the past. I don't think yeshivas tolerate this kind of stuff today.


But I could not say for sure.

 

"Anon, I am really under the impression that all these physical abuse, slapping around, hitting with a "Shtekken" are things of the past. I don't think yeshivas tolerate this kind of stuff today."

Yes, your probably right about that. However, these days its the pedophiles and molesters who disguise themselves as rebbeim that we have to worry about....

 

I went to RJJ in the 1950's.Many of the rebbeim hit kids.What I can't understand to this day is how come no kid ever hit back.

 

"THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, ITS THE HOUSE, THE PARENTS AND NOTHING ELSE.."


Are you completly insane...or just completely clueless???
I had an abusive rebbe and he would always threaten us that if we told our parents the things he did to us, we'd be very sorry (mind you, I was only a frightened little 6 year old).
My parents (very loving, wonderful people) had no idea what went on in school (as did all the other parents). It was'nt till the end of the year when kids started begging their parents to send them to a different yeshiva for the following year that everyone saw there was a problem. And this problem had nothing to do with the parents.

The only parents who are to be blamed...are the parents who raised their child to become this monster/rebbe!

 

I went to stolin in the 80s and I remeber at least 4 Rebbeim who the crap out of me on a continued basis. One of them is Rabbi K, either the smae mother F from Beer Shmuel or his brother, he would beat my knuckles with a drum stick until it bled. Anyone who thinks I should forget this, F U.
Either way, the worst of the bunch was a shmuck Hungerian Chasidisher Rebbi who is a well respected rov in Flatbush,Rabbi O., he would beat me relentlesley. He had a fat wooden stick which he called "mayn shaygetz" he would then say to us, "A yid shlugt nisht, nur a shaygetz shlugt" those were the last words before he knocked the crap out of us, he is a sick mamzer, he continued hitting kids after all Rebbes stopped, I sweat when I think of him. I swore to myself never to be frum after I had this maniac for a Rebbe. I blame the principal for keeping him even though he was beating me and others EVERY DAY!!!!

B'H I am frum, but after 15 years I once saw this farkakter, holier than though S.O.B, it was 1 week after I got married and I was driving with my kallah, otherwise I would have taken my bat out of my trunk and beat him silly.
Moshe

 

How come nobody mentioned Kahan from the chidren's tapes who as a melamed did what melamdim did best those days? Beat the crap out of our faces till we saw stars. Most parents simply turned a blind eye to it conveniently telling themselves it wasn't true.

 

"THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, ITS THE HOUSE, THE PARENTS AND NOTHING ELSE.."

Oh, and did it cross your mind perhaps that these parents themselves were victimized by there rabaim?
And to all those who think this isn't happening anymore, think again.
Many rabiem, at least in the chasidishe yeshivas are still using the stick.

 

Who can forget Rabbi K, Pre-1A rebbe of Be'er Shmuel. 30+ years later I still see his five fingers imprinted on my face.

 

dovid trenk im going to see you in hell

 

The Veretzky Birnhak is a son of E. Birnhak (It's all in the family). His name is Meir Birnhak, the meshugina in Ger today that no one would leave a child with him for a second. Don't mess with this dangerous guy, his rabbi is his tenant.

 

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THIS MEIR BIRNHACK DOES FOR A LIVING TODAY ??? ?????? WE ARE ALL VERY CURIOUS TO GET THIS INFO..

 

Does the name BRUCE/YISROEL KARP ring a bell to anyone?
If so, I would like to hear from you.

 

ITS NOT YOUR BUSINESS WHAT MEIR BIRNHACK DOES,,JUST CHANGE THE SUBJECT..THIS WEBSITE SHOULD REALLY DISAPPEAR FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH..

 

why do you want this to vanish? the truth needs to be told in its entirety. there are many lost souls due to the harsh rabbaim (i use the word rabbi lightly). i suffered 8
years under wilner in ytv. i hope he burns in hell!! he was (is) the most evil man that ever existed. i am sure anyone that was a student in ytv would agree.

 

Yea, lets just forget about it, it happened so long ago.
Sounds like a professor I had, that once told a class on the Holocost "It was 50 years ago, get over it!"

 

To libby ,
Who the hell do you think you are??
Are you educated in the human psyche? Do you know the possible long term mental problems people live with due to the mental and physical abuse they lived with through elimentary school? If you are a Dr please post your # so all the people with mental break downs can turn to you for help. If you are not licenced to diagnose SHUT UP!! Allow people to vent bottled up anger without you telling us how to feel.

 

Anyone have Weissler from Yeshiva Tiferes Elimelech?

He was a total mamzer. Beat the hell out of us for not having the place in the Gemorah. I called 911 once, but when the cops and ambulance showed up, my principal said that if anyone speaks to them we would get kicked out. Weissler still teaches there.

 

funny just think if all the rebbes were gaurds in the concentration camps we could learn while we were beaten.

 

Our 6th grade Rebbe was also our 8th grade science and math teacher. He too had a leg of a chair - the thick square type - and would hit the talmidim on their arms and hands. Well after two years of having him abuse us - when I was in the 8th grade - I lost it one day and fought back and BAM! I popped him right in the Jaw! He was standing on the side of his chair and fell back over it smacking his head on the floor with his feet up in the air flaying away (he was short and fat!). What a sight to see! It was two weeks before graduation and I got expelled (of course!) but was allowed to graduate with my class. :) So in essence I got an extra two week vacation! :))) Sorry to disappoint you - but I am frum - in fact today I am a well known mechanech (over 50). I really wish more kids would have stood up to these abuse mechanchim.

PS. I also learned in Mir in NY and got cracked by Klein too. Not the keys trick. It was . . . "follow me into this empty room and then he would tell you to turn around and close door and when you turned back around - before you knew what happened BAM! he whacked you across the face! I only got it once - a day that we had a substitute who didn't know our names and used Delaney cards to ID us by where we sat. He reported me to RK as giving him a hard time and he really meant the kid behind me. Oh well. When Klein came into the room he called me out to speak to me - I had NO IDEA MAMISH what he could possibly want and then the room/door/slap trick! I explained this error but got apology. Many years later (I was 23) I met him somewhere and reminded him of the story and told him I was never mochel him!

 

I went to Yeshiva Tora Emes. Rabbi R,the first grade rebbe wouldn't let you go to the bathroom . He enjoyed telling first graders to make in their seats. Afetr you were done,he had a sick smile on his face.He also had class votes to keep a child in the class who didn't complete an assignment.He lined the boys in the back and if enough boys voted ,they would be put back in pre 1A(so he said). Years later as students got older and became parents themselves they complained and tried to get him removed.But you know how tough it is getting a rebbe removed.At least he was no longer able to teach first graders .He was moved to the eighth grade.

 

Rabbi Lieberman from the Mirrer yeshiva was called Rebs. He had a big college paddle that he would use on the smaller cuter boys .The bigger kids he let off and made them give money to tzedakkah instead. He hit real hard and made the kids bend over in front of the whole class.He is no longer alive and can't be prosecuted.

 

Rabbi Efraim Birnhack js a Melamed in Yeshivah Yagdil Torah for almost 30 years. It's no surprise that he must've upset a few talmidim.

His 2x4, in reality a thin long 1/2 inch stick, is LONG gone. (the Gerrer rebbe shlita has long prohibited hitting kids).

I think it's quite obvious that there is somebody out there with an axe to grind who is desperately trying to put Reb Efraim into the same category as the real child molesters.

As for his son, Meir Birnhac, he is not a melamed for god knows how many years. Those who have something against him, is this the only thing you can come up with?

 

iknow for afact that rabbi leiberman talked to the kids about oral sex & other perversions

what about scarface eckstein? what a shmuck!

 

"As for his son, Meir Birnhak, he is not a melamed for god knows how many years. Those who have something against him, is this the only thing you can come up with?'


Just for the record, I had Meir Birnhak as a rebbe in Ohr shraga Diveretzki (1987-1988). To call him a NAZI would be a compliment!

The sadist enjoyed making our little lives pure hell. Aside from the usual gruesome beatings (with a thick drumstick that often needed replacing), he'd devise freaky punishments to torture us.

He once forced me to spend an entire day ON MY KNEES in the bathroom (it was under construction and the wood floor was filled with splinters). He put a piece of masking tape on the the floor and warned me that if I'd dare move my knees from on the tape, I'd recieve the beating of my life. I was not allowed to get out of that position even for lunch (mind you, I was only 5)!

On another occasion, a kid vomited in middle of lunch on his plate of food, and Birnhak MADE THE KID EAT HIS OWN VOMIT!!! I don't think there is anybody in the class that will forget that horrific scene as Birnhak took a spoon and forcefully shoveled the vomit back into that crying kids mouth. I could write a 400 page horror story based on the cruel things he did to us...but I can't bear to relive those terrible memories.

I will concede to one thing: he didn't molest little kids...he just enjoyed torturing them.

Now say what you want, but I suspect Meir Birnhak learnt (and perhaps even experienced) these enlightened 'teaching' methods from his father (the apple doesn't fall far from the tree). They should both be tossed in a cell and locked up for life - perhaps that will serve as justice for the countless little yiddeshe lives that they forever scarred.

 

Does anyone have any recent stories of R' Yakov Basch? Former menahel at Kaminetz, now Menahel at Yeshiva Ketana in Queens? I had heard a number of physical abuse complaints.

 

Rabbi Basch from Kaminetz is not names Yaakov but if thats who you mean,he is indeed a very sick person. He took all his issues out on the high school kids untill the school had to actually close down the high school just to get rid of him. They then reopened a year later without him and are thriving.

 

Rabbi Weinbaum still teaches at Toras Emes but has been warned never to touch another kid ever again or he loses his job. He is one of the worst offenders at Toras Emes but they have learned how hard it is to get rid of a rebbe on several bais din cases.

 

Shlomo Mandel of YOB takes the cake - more kids that became not frum because of his fine example of an "upstanding mechanech". His father was a good man, but blind to his son's failings. I saw an old Jewish Observer a few weeks ago on Chinuch, and was shocked to see that this hypocrite wrote an article on "chanoch lana'ar al pi darko" - if there was one thing this jackass did not do, it was try to understand his students. I truly hope he rots in hell for all those he sent "off the derech". I know that I, for one, am not mochel him.

 

shlomo mandel destroyed a hs & for gds sake FIRED HIS OWN BROTHER!

 

i wonder if any girls have horror stories from their school days

 

I too learnt by r' Shlomo Mandel in YOB. I actually found him to be a kind and caring Rosh. Always there 100% if anyone had any problems. I agree he was strict but to accuse him the way you did, i find extremely upseting and unfounded

 

Rabbi Basch never abused any talmidim. He was tough, very unpopular with some of the guys but the claim of abuse is absolute sheker.

 

There was a Cheder in Baltimore (which stillis in operation but under a different Hanolah B'H) where there was a self proclaimed "principal",who looked and acted like FidelCasatro's twin brother.He would pickkids up by their ears and tickle their ribs while they wiggled in the air.He also threw themacross the room against walls,which he did to mje. Today I am almost a cripple because of his actions. When I got older I confronted him but he ran away from me. Today he hides in, where else but the home of the jewish abusers, Crown Hedights and calls himself a RAV. In his case it is an accronym for Ra Bayna Hashem. His name is Zirkin YEMOCH SHMOI VZICHROI. If you know him please tell him I ask hashem daily to repay him and I will not be Moichel him until he asks for Mechila Brabim and compensates me financially. Hashem Yinokaim Lee. He knows who I am. The greatest irony is he almost tore off his own son's ear doing this.

 

Re: Meir Birnhak at Veretski

He was a Rebbe in the 80s for one year. He left (or was asked to leave) in middle of the second year.

He is now a chaplain for the Police Department.

Obviously he realized Or the yeshiva realized that he should not be a rebbe.

The real problem is the ones who are still in chinuch and should not be.

 

Chiam Epstein from Bruer's became the English principal in Satmar in Kiryas Yoel.

 

Believe it or not, I am frum today- but i didnt have to be a punching bag for a lo-yitzlach who couldn't marry rich enough to stay kollel and ended up in chinuch.

I grew up out of town where the mechanchim were deticated, loving and caring. Not once during my whole childhood was I ever, or did I ever see a classmate of mine, suffer from any of this abuse.

 

Anon from Toras Emes, you can't forget about the other 2nd grade Rebbi. He used to beat the Living Sh*t out of me. He also broke a kids arm when he smashed it against the desk. That was Conveniently covered up by the administration who should have kicked that guy out so far on his ass, but they let him stay on and teach. They were many others in that school who beat the crap out of the students.

 

REMEMBER THE GREAT REBBES WE HAD, RABBI REFAEL GREEN,THE BEST MECHANICH I EVER HAD.. EVERYONE AGREES TO THAT..REB NOSSON SCHERMAN,WAS THE BEST OF THE BEST.. PLEASE RABOSI,BE POSITIVE NOT NEGATIVE..LIFE IS TO SHORT TO EAT EACH OTHER UP ALIVE.ENJOY LIFE AND GET ON WITH IT..

 

is that zirkan the sofer?

 

To the guy who posted a defense of Slimeball Mandel of YOB:

I personally was lied to by this jackass, as well as slapped, punched (with a closed fist), and shoved into walls on several occasions. I also saw this same behaviour towards others. When he was confronted by my parents, he threatened that if we went public or pressed charges, he'd make sure I never got into another Yeshiva again. Strict? I'd say cruel and twisted. There's a reason he had to close down his high school.

I came in to his school as a bright, motivated student, at the top of my class in both Kodesh and Chol, and left totally disillusioned with frumkeit as he represented it. I'm now still frum, though not at the same level I was, but that's a credit to the place I went to after I escaped from the clutches of this asswipe. If he burns in hell for eternity, it won't be long enough. It's really a shame about his control of a place that has (had?) some excellent rabeim - Rabbi Pichey, the eighth grade Rebby, was absolutely top-notch, both as a motivator and as an educator.

 

For the one who thinks naming the momserim who abused is loshon hora, and for those who silently accepted, know that these attitudes make it possible for another Hitler to arise. When one is hit, hit back.

 

I learnt all my years in Lubavitch and never heard anything on Zirkind though.
Not too much of that altogether in Lubavitch as far as I know.
Funny thing is I believe he is one of the top guys in crown heights, and I mean in the badatz. Unless there is another Zirkind and I think there is a bunch of em.

 

On another occasion, a kid vomited in middle of lunch on his plate of food, and Birnhak MADE THE KID EAT HIS OWN VOMIT!!! I don't think there is anybody in the class that will forget that horrific scene as Birnhak took a spoon and forcefully shoveled the vomit back into that crying kids mouth. I could write a 400 page horror story based on the cruel things he did to us...but I can't bear to relive those terrible memories.
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I cant imagine the suffering you are still going through but i feel very strongly that you personally need closure with this and also need to let the secular authorities know about this guys animalistic behaviour .
If i were you would have dialled 911 when i saw that incident.
He is a sik fu*.

 

I heard Ephraim Birnhack is the FDNY chaplain. They don't either deserve him.

 

Yes the mamzer zirkin is a sofer. He used to be a Malach, but he acted like a galach. Tell him Yankel from Baltimore will have his revenge. tell him to keep looking over his shoulder because one day i will repay him ein tachas ien, if he knows what that means

 

I went 16 years to Torah Vodaath in the fifties and sixties.I was never hit.I never saw anyone being hit. I never saw any sexual abuse.
I never heard about any such cases from my friends in other yeshivas. Ditto for Camp Agudah . What is being said is so strange. I am shocked.

 

my sons had some terrible experiences in Ch'san Sofer. They were affected by having been abused and by witnessing it. when i reported a particular incident to the menahel, he was in shock, couldn't believe his "star rebbe" could do such a thing. The next day he called me and said I was a "meuseh loshon horanik". This son, who had serious ADHD problems, has suffered tremendously in his life,frumkeitwise and otherwise.
I know Libby has advised people to "get over it", but yeshiva experiences have caused some boys serious psychological damage. Maybe if yeshivos and rebeim become aware that they may be exposed in this blog, they might reconsider how they treat their talmidim.

 

How about taking a moment to post a comment about the rebbi you remember most fondly???

the one who inspired you?

the one who accepted you for who you were?

the one who taught by example?

the one who you wished you had for 3 years instead of only one??

 

I think the hallmark of a good Rebbe or teacher is someone who maybe tough but is fair and evenhanded. I remember every Rebbe I had from nursery on up. I also remember which ones had favorites and used a double standard. Usually they were the same ones that were animals on days that something ticked them off. I fondly remember the ones that cared for every Yiddishe Neshomele in theur charge.

 

WOW... so many bad Rabbi's - i wonder where they got smicha?

 

Any ox can get Smicha. "Vsomach yadough al rosh hapar".

 

The Zirkin I am talking about is the old man, should be in late 70's. He had a lot of boys, but his brorther, a real mench, was nebich killed in an accident at a young age. And yes parents did beat the crap out of some of these bastards. My father beat zirkin up when he caught him beating my cousin and then the mamzer attacked me. They had another round after that but we didn't know how bad my back was then or we would have had his ass put where it belongs and sued him for his last cent. All his good deeds now do not give him absolution on the bin odam l'chavaru and hezek. But then again, in my opnion at least, he is not an odom.

 

how about the 8th grade rebbi in ytv?

anyone remember the "special desk" next to him??

 

How about Rabbi Pearl 2nd grade rebbe in Chasan SOfer East Side? ANyone had their pants pulled down in front of the class and made to stand that way for some infraction? Nutjob!

 

TALKING ABOUT THE MAMZERIM IN STOLIN WHO CANT FORGET THE BIG SHIEGETZ WITH THE LONG BEARD IF YOU DONT KNOW BY NOW WHO I MEAN YE YE HIS NAME IS WRITTEN IN THE TORAH BY THE BNIE EISAV 'DISHON'HEIS A JAKASS OF ALL TRADES ABOUT MOLLESSTING HE TOOK BOCHURIM TO THE MIKVE BIKLUMPISHT WE ALL KNOW WHAT HE DID THERE ABOUT ABBUSE I KNOW FIRST HAND STORIES HOW HE ABBUSED YOUNG BUCHARIM FOR HIS OWN SADDISTIC SATTISFACTION AND TODAY HE GOES TO TALK MISSER TO THE BNEI TORAH I KNOW YINGERLEIT TODAY WHO TOLD ME THAT THEY DONT KNOW WHY THEY DIDNT GO OFF THE YIDISHE DERECH BECAUSE OF HIM BUT THE WOMAN THINK HE IS THE GRAETEST THING BECAUSE HE TOOK OF HIS GLASSES WHEN HE CAME IN TO TALKTOTHE GIRLS IN BAIS YAKOV gMAKE HIMSELF LIKE A FRUMMER BUT THEY DONT KNOW THAT HE DOESNT NEED GLASSES SO THEY THINK HE HAS SHMIRAS EINIEM BUT MEANWHILE HE SATTISFIES HIS TREIFENE EYES WITH REIYIS ASIROIS AND THEN HE GOES TO THROW A BUCHER OUT OF YESHIVA FOR LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AND YELLS GET OUT OF THIS YESHIVA YOU LOOKED AT NOSHIM I HOPE HE ROTS IN THE DEEPEST PART OF HELL BECAUSE I FORSHURE AM NOT MOICHEL HIM AS LONG AS I LIVE I REMEMBER HE THREW A BOCHER OUT AND THE KIDS GRAND FATHER CAME DOWN TO PLEAD A REAL BROKEN MAN WHO WENT THROUGH THE GIHENNIM IT WAS A REAL PITTY TO WATCH THIS YID RUNNING AFTER THIS MENUVEL AND HE WOULDNT EVEN TURN AROUND TO GIVE THIS YID THE RESPECT OF ANSWERING HIM AND I KNOW THAT THIS BOCHER DID NOT DESSERVE TO BE THROWN OUT AND I KNOW THIS YINGERMAN IS NOT SO FRIM BECAUSE OF THAT I HOPE THIS YID IN OILEM HAELYOIN TAKES NIKUME IN THIS PERVERT MABE IF HIS STUDERING GETS WORSE AND HE STOPS TALKING TOTALLY CHOTCH HE WONT BE ABLE TO BLUFF ANYBODY ANYMORE

 

Sh!@#t head Goldberger is no better. Every time I see him he say hello and I tell him to get lost before I beet him down.

 

Never forget FRUM is an acronym for Fill Rishes, vanik mitzvahs.

 

whats wrong with this picture, there are over 100 comments on this topic. HOW FUCKED UP IS OUR SYSTEM !!that everyone had such a terrible expirience. i say EXPOSE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I know this goes on. I know it is because the stupid yeshivos have no checks and balances. But, where were your parents?? If my daughter would come home with a tear in her eye because of what a teacher or rebbi SAID (much less hit or touched her), I would put a stop to the criminal who is teahing the class and I would try to shut down the school...

 

TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

Efraim Bitnhack is A rebbe in Yagdil Torah Ger for close to 30 years. He was on of the first members in Hatzoloh (he still goes on calls to this day). His son Meir is a chaplain for many city agencies.

Please do not confuse the two.

Both, father and son have NEVER been accused of SEXUAL molestation. If anything they might have been accused by some yodel for being too strict.

PLEASE DON'T OVERREACT - PUTTING THEM BETWEEN AL THE CHILD MOLESTORS IS JUST NOT FAIR. NO MATTER WHAT HE DID TO YOU.

---Yesh Din V’Yesh Dayan---

 

I still remember Pappa Unger hitting kids and saying a twenty dollar prize if you are wise. How come R' Rokeach wasn't listed? He was the seventh grade rebbi there that used to beat the crap out of kids. Anyone remember him beating and kicking, Eliyahu Fink. This rebbi was around 6'2" and big and strong like an ox. Personally I really liked him but I guess he never hit me. Yisroel Unger 5th. grade rebbi and Babad 8th. grade rebbi deserve honorable mentions also. I remember SS fighting back against Babad. Quite a few kids from my class aren't frum anymore but I am not sure you can blame the rebbiem for them. I think Bencion G is one of them. So sad.

 

Since the last 5 posts are about Stolin.. here goes.
Rabbi Z Shain may be a real mentch I would not know since he came to 3d grade the year after me, so I was stuck with beatings unn a shiur. Goldberger used to beat the crap out of me, almost daily for 5 years!!!
Besides that, I got tortured, yes tortured for 7 out of my 10 years there!!! Some of the sadistic Rebbeim there smacked me, hit me with sticks, broke rulers on me, I was one of the korbonois of my class for years. I am a mechanoch now & if you asked them, they would say who him?? he must be an oisvarf, but you know what? those S.O.B's never gave me a chance & when the right Rebbe did finally give me a chance at 16 years old... I started learning.
Let any rebbe who cant make it in the real world, stay in kolel keep the hell away from little kids that they used in my days for punching bags.

 

oh crap.
I just wrote a whole long thing about all my abusive sadistic wacky rebbes in Stolin & it all got lost.
I guess its not meant to be.
Either way, I sweat when I think about the shi* that went down & the thousands of beatings I took from Meyer Gab.

 

I was in Stolin for elementry and never got wacked by GOB. However those who spoke during Mincha got the legendry "grand slam" unexpected from behind.

 

in my days rabbi basch would maybe throw an eraser at a kid to wake him up. other rebbiem did the same thing.

that is not abuse.
i really doubt he actually harmed kids, since we are talking about teenagers in highschool.
I knew him for many years.
Ive seen him throw erasers, touch your chup, but he never BEAT anyone.

as far as rabbi wienbaum.
I had him as a rebbi, and so did my son. The worst he did was twist your ear if you werent looking in.
If i had witness harm, i certainly wouldnt of had him teach my son.
Who by the way, thought he was a good rebbi.

The question is what abuse is he accused of, and will the parents or former students at least admit, their kid wasnt the best behaved in class.
Parents today are more sensitive, so the policy is more strict.

THere are and were other rebbim in toras emes that kids didnt like that much.

we did have a torturer in 9th grade who liked to stand kids up in the back with their arms straight up, and place a heavy set of books.
The kid wasnt allowed to bend his arms or lower them.
But if they did, they lost some privilige. But in hindsight it probably wasnt a good approach to chinuch.

 

I guess I'm a freak, judging from the comments. I went to yeshiva in Elizabeth and no rebbe ever laid a hand on me, or anyone else.

I suppose I should thank Hashem for being so lucky.

 

I went to Toras Emes for 5 years and never has a problem with any Rebbi, none of them hit--one Rebbi I didn't like and some were tough but good rebbeim none the less.

 

ANYONE REMEMBER "CHALKBOARD SAM" FROM Y.O.Z.? HE WOULD PULL DOWN THE HOIZEN AND WIPE THE BLACKBOARD WITH YOUR TUSHY... MY MOM WOULD BE SO UPSET; THE VESH WOULD WOULD BE WHITER THAN HER WASHES!!

 

MR CHAPTZEM YOU OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF POSTING POSTS THAT CONTAIN PURE LOSHON HORA! I THOUGHT YOU WERE SMARTER THEN THAT! QUIT IT WHILE YOUR AHEAD OF THE GAME! WITH SO MANY OF VIEWERS THINK OF THE HELL YOU WILL GET FOR EVERY SINGLE NAME MENTIONED ABOVE! "CHAZOR BOCH"!!

 

Anyone here went to Bais dovid in Monsey N.Y.?
Ever been been abused by any Rabbeim or Principles of Bais Dovid?

 

I will not claim to be an expert on the laws of lashon hara. However, I am pretty sure that that which is being said on this blog is lashon hara. I do not wish to judge those of you who claim to have been beated by Rebbeim, however, i believe that this might not be the best way to deal with it. I realize that the common response to what I just said is that there is no other way. I am wondering if, at this point in your lives, publishing the names of these Rebbeim is really helping your cause. Whatever happened, happened. And believe me, I think it's a horrible thing. I don't think you are gaining anything by doing this.
Additionally, there is at least one poster who claims to be a mechanech now, and used inappropriate language. I don't think I would like you to teach my kids as much as those people you are bad-mouthing.
Just think about what you type before you do so. Will anything constructive come out of it? Is there another way to deal with my problem?

 

I HAD A REBBE AT Y.T.T.Y. WHO USED TO MEASURE YOUR EAR SIZE; IF IT WASN'T LONG ENOUGH HE WOULD PULL ON IT UNTIL YOU HEARD WELL.
THEN THERE WAS THERE WAS THE 'GUY' WHO USED TO MAKE ME EAT FOOD WITHOUT A BROCHA SO I COULD FEEL WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE A GOY!! IF ANYONE KNOWS WHO HE IS PLEASE TELL HIM THAT I AM NOT MOICHEL HIM BECAUSE MY MOTHER IS ACTUALLY NOT JEWISH!! IT WAS VERY INSULTING!!

 

I personally learned by R' Efraim Birnhack in pre1A. He was a great Rebbe. I don't ever remember him doing something bad to a talmid or even hitting. (He did have a big stick (thin as a ruler but very long to scare the kids) it was called a ligent shtecken, but I never saw him using it)

In fact in all my years in cheder I didn't see the stories you people are talking about, so it probably isn't a popular thing. Don't go blame everyone because of a few reshoim!!!

 

To lighten up the mood a bit I think I will post some names of really good inspiring and caring rebbes.

OOps I cant think of any. Well the only decent Rebbe I remember was Rabbi Schwartz of Spinka in Boro park and mind you I was one of the good boys.

 

RABBI BEYER IN BAIS DOVID IS THE SWEETEST MEN YOU COULD EVER FIND..

 

i cant believe u had such bad rebbis. my rebby just sprays us with a water gun if were sleeping. or sometime he takes like 10 dollers and every day we stay up you get 1 doller back. hes an exallent rebby.
(p.s. im in 10th grade)

 

Great rabbeim I've had.

Rabbi Kleinman - Beer Shmuel.
Rabbi Weiss - Chasan Sofer
Rabbi Neiman - Chasan Sofer

 

To the poster of re: Additionally, there is at least one poster who claims to be a mechanech now, and used inappropriate language.

I reread my post. Please be so kind as to direct me to what exactly was the "inappropriate language" used??

 

RABBI BEYER IN BAIS DOVID IS THE SWEETEST MEN YOU COULD EVER FIND..
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I would assume that he is a very old man by now, but let me tell you first hand that he was a very vicious principle.
If you dont believe me ask people who went there in the 70`s and 80`s
He has caused countless boys to go off the derech.
He was known as the most vicious principle in the monsey area schools.
He was famous on using his belt on the boys in a dark storage room where no one was able to hear the screams, and cries of his belting
What a sweet man he was.
He should ROT in the DEEPEST of all HELLS along with the rabbeim who sided with his punishment methods.

 

I don't know if the late R. Shalom Goldstein of Yeshiva Beth Yehuda in Detroit ever smacked a student or not. He just took money from parents of boys in his afternoon school and didn't bother teaching them any Torah because "it didn't matter - they are being bar mitzvahed in Conservative shuls".

 

To Mechanech,
1."beat the crap out of me"
2." but you know what? those
S.O.B's never gave me a chance"
3."Let any rebbe who cant make it in the real world, stay in kolel keep the hell away from little kids that they used in my days for punching bags."

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

Re: the Loshon Hora argument, retelling something that is known to 3 people is not considered Loshon Hora, unless of course youre like one those rebbeim that never considered the children to be PEOPLE, in the first place.

 

I disagree with what "The Editor" said about Rabbi Goldstien Zt'l, it has to be wrong, becuase my father who is near 70 went to YBY - detriot afternoon school and learned plenty, even though the shul he had is bar mitzvah in didn't have a mechitza. Today he is frum even though he did not grow up that way. He has frum children and grandchildren in YBY and Bais Yaakov Detroit, because of Rabbi Goldstien! (and besides this listing is about abusive rebbes, why would you even bring his name here. )Ask any girl who went to Bais Yaakov Detroit since inseption until he was niftar and they will all tell you what great man, pricipal, teacher, and mentor he was! We all remember him with the utmost respect and fondness. If only he was still here to inspire our Bais Yaakov!

 

Again, I don't claim to be an expert in the laws of lashon hara. However, I think you may want to check your halachos again. The rule of repeating lashon hara in front of three people exists only if the lashon hara can be interpreted in both a positive and negative light. Unless I misunderstood the purpose of these posts, I think I can conclude that there is no way to traslate these allegations in a positive light. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Again, I do feel awful that about some of the terrible suffering many of you claim to have been the victims of. I wish that there was a way to alleviate the problem. However, I believe, all this is, is an outlet through which you vent your frustrations at a system which may not have served you well.
Please try to find a constructive way to deal with these issues.

 

To the Mechanech critic.

Ok - I get it now. The poster that you are referring to also says that he is a "mechanoch"(sp) I wrote Mechanech - so I thought you were referring to me. Mea Culpa! I AM SORRY!

PS. I don't believe he is really a mchanech! ;)

 

Re: the Loshon Hora argument, retelling something that is known to 3 people is not considered Loshon Hora, unless of course youre like one those rebbeim that never considered the children to be PEOPLE, in the first place.
Uh, not to make light of everyone's concerns but once you seem to know th elaws of Loshon Hora I am sure that you also know that the Chofetz Chaim concludes that chapter by telling us not to use that heter lightly.

Let's face it: This blog has become a venting sight and I don't really belive that loshon hora is on anyone's mind.

Carry on people...

 

Susie,

"it doesn't matter - he is being bar mitzvahed in a Conservative shul".

That was a quote from the late YBY afternoon school and BY principal, a'h', to my late father, z'tz'l. It was his explanation to my parents when they discovered my brother was not being educated. It was because of the personal attention from some rebbes (one of whom was threatened with dismissal by SG if he attended my brother's bar mitzvah) and his own values that my brother ended up an observant, active Jew, not because of SG.

Perhaps YBY afternoon school had a different standard for familes at B'nai David. BTW, Susie, what are you going to do after Sunday, when the "ban the internet" event takes place here in town? You know, Susie, I've always admired you and and your husband. You had your head screwed on straight back in Hebrew House in A2 and for the most part you still do. You are both much more together than I will ever be. But you've always been a bit of a free spirit, trying to find your own way in the chapeaux noir world and I wonder if you ever hear yourself parroting something that just doesn't sit right with you.

The man was held in high regard by many in the frum community, but then the frum community engages in hagiography on almost any notable frum Jew such as a school principal. If you ask the Jews who went off the derech under his tutelage, you might get a different image of him. Neither of us knows if he influenced more Jews to become frum or more who decided to be frei. Also, if your dad is approaching 70, that would mean he started school about 65 years ago, around 1941 or 1942. Was SG involved in YBY back then?

 

Editor, are you the admitted drug user from Detroit who also admits to not being very observant but complains about not being given the amud in the yeshiva?

 

The Editor,
I am not the person you are thinking of. I was never in Ann Arbor. My father did attend Bnai David. and he was influenced by the special rabbiem in YBY. Rabbi G was one of his teachers I don't know what year. But sometime around Bar Mitzvah.
As far as the internet Ban, well if I was banned from the internet, I could not make a living and would not be able to pay tution. As far as I am conserned if you are a responsible person and parent the internet is a very useful tool. Both for homework and business. Parents need to use computerized parental control features and be there when thier children are using the computer, wheter to play games or do homework research.
Editor I don't know who you are, and since you have me mixed up with someone else, apparently don't know me.

 

YTV in the 80's:
BAD:
Wilner - His slaps packed such a wallop, My cheeks are still red.
Kushner - Frequent Slapper. (Anybody remember how many bites to finish his apple?)
Feinstein - Also, a professional slapper, that made your head spin around.

GOOD:
R. Ungarisher

GREAT:
R. Fishel Shechter, still there.
Yes, the famous Daf Yomi Rabbi Shechter.

 

Well I know for a fact that Rabbi Basch is now plying his wickedness in Yeshiva elementary.

 

Rabbi Bider (sp??) from Yeshivas Tiferes Tzvi in Chicago smacked me and others in third grade. Is this guy still around?

 

Susie, you are indeed correct, as I realized as soon as I posted it but you can't delete comments here. I'm not saying that SG didn't influence kids to be better Jews. I'm saying that he wasn't perfect and that frum Jews engage in hagiography.

 

Editor said "That was a quote from the late YBY afternoon school and BY principal, a'h', to my late father, ." Lets see your father ate treif and he gets z'tz'l, but Rabbi Goldstein who was a true tzaddik and moser nefesh for k'lal Yisroel gets a mere a"h. How benevolent of you> Maybe your daughter who married the goy could've used a Rabbi Goldstein. You obviously failed! Go smoke some weed and shut you condescending A2 mouth.

 

Lets see your father ate treif and he gets z'tz'l, but Rabbi Goldstein who was a true tzaddik and moser nefesh for k'lal Yisroel gets a mere a"h. How benevolent of you

I don't know all of Rabbi Goldstein's chesronot and you don't know what mitzvahs my father did. Yes, I chose the honorifics intentionally. You expect me to give your rebbe more kavod than I owe my own father????!!! Has rebbe worship in the frum velt effectively revised the Asseret HaDibrot? Unlike SG, my father loved all Jews, not just frummies. He was respected and loved by the roshei kollel here, R. Schwab gave one of the hakarot at his leviyah (it was Rosh Chodesh so there were no official hespeds), his shiva was attended by many of the rabbis you respect. He was raised as a fairly assimilated Jew but brought up his children in a kosher home (my mom can kasher a chicken - can any of the girls at BY or DT do that?), made sure they got Jewish educations, and nearly all of his grandchildren are Shomer Shabbat. But then as BTs and children of BTs they can never be as good as you FFBs, right?

You say that SG was a true moser nefesh. That may be so, but from my perspective he had a long career as a respected orthodox educator. From the 1960s forward, he had a respected position, received an appropriate salary and lived in a decent neighborhood in a house that was most likely owned by the YBY organization (like most of the other high level rebbes and administrators there at the time) so he didn't have to make a house payment. Perhaps early in his life he struggled for the sake of Torah. By the time I knew him he was a solid citizen in the frum community

He was also narrow minded and not concerned with the Torah education of the non-frum boys he was paid to educate. Will you give him 'credit' for all the boys and girls who went off the derech at institutions he controlled?

I'm not saying that he didn't bring some kids closer to HaShem and Torah. He just wasn't the saint you make him out to be. Frum hagiography sanitizes and sanctifies the life of all frum Jews and you would rather say bad things about my father than accept the fact that some of your idols have feet of clay, like all men. SG specifically said that he wasn't concerned with teaching non-frum kids that he was being paid to teach. If that makes him a tzadik, what does that make my father, who came from a Jewishly limited background and sent all his kids to Jewish schools, including a yeshiva and a day school?

"Condescending"?????

ROTFLMFFAO

You frummies have a monopoly on condescension. Whenever challenged the first response from a frummie is 1)I'm smarter than you. Then 2)I'm more religious and spiritual than you. That leads to # 3)I've learned more than you. Finally they attack your family. As indicated by:

Maybe your daughter who married the goy could've used a Rabbi Goldstein. You obviously failed!

So did Avraham and Yitzchak. If you are going to judge me by the actions of my children, then you have to attribute the behavior of Eisav and Yishmael to their fathers as well.

My daughter is a decent person who has made some mistakes. She admits it. Mr. Emes, the self proclaimer of truth, will you admit that you have made any mistakes?

BTW, Ann Arbor is a lovely city filled with smug, self righteous folks convinced that their own orthodoxies make them superior to other people. I haven't lived there in 25 years but you'd fit right in.

 

Great rabbeim that I've had.

Rabbi Gewirtzman - Chasdei Torah
Rabbi Wolpin - Chasdei Torah
Rabbi Weinberger (Pipe Smoker) - Toras Emes

 

Editor... admitted drug user... whatever. I never lived in Detroit, but I'm close to may people (including family members) who grew up there in the 50s and 60s. RSG seems to have been a truly amazing person, with many accomplishments to show for it.
You, on the other hand, seem to have very little but hatred to show for anything.

Hagiography?

The term certainly applies to the distorted way you present you own family members. Until, of course, someone confronts you with the facts.

By the way, I don't know who owned RSG's home, but -- despite the way you attempt to portray it -- parsonage is perfectly acceptable.

 

This is rich. You never knew the man. I knew him. He was probably a good man on whole. His son and daughter-in-law were neighbors of mine and they were very sweet and eidel people. SG wasn't perfect. Neither was my dad.

The sad truth was that in the 1960s most of the orthodox establishment was not interested in the neshamas of non-frum Jews. You would rather denigrate me, my father, a'h', and my daughter than acknowledge that fact.

This raises an interesting side issue to yeshiva abuse. It's not as much of an issue today as many families have embraced day schools and yeshivas, but until the 1970s at least, many Jewish kids attended talmud Torah's and other afternoon schools affiliated w/ orthodox yeshivas. Today must suplemental Jewish schools are affiliated w/ Conservative or Reform congregations, but that was not the case for much of the 20th century. Many of these schools were a joke and responsible for driving generations of American Jews away from traditional Judaism. A few of the rebbes cared, but as long as the kids could get through seders and passably chant a haftarah, most of the parents didn't notice that they knew virtually nothing about Judaism.

Some of the kids were from frum families. Others from Conservative families with frum ties. All of them went to public schools.

It appears in hindsight that the afternoon schools were frauds, used to employ rebbes and administrators and generate revenue for the yeshivas but not really make a serious effort at Jewish education.

 

i was a public school/tt kid
i became frum went to yeshiva hs & learned in kollel

 

i remember rabbi sitorsky as my eglish teacher, what my sister told me is that he playd around with here she clams that he popd her cherry he put his hands all over and all around me in his car back seat then he put his finger were it does not belong... she was crying as she said it to us, our father is not alive so my mother did not beleve her but this story is very true we hope she has some dna from him his zerah on her underware we will bring justic were it belongs the cry and tears from a y'siomah will not get lost!!!

 

does zimerman ring a bell to anyone?

 

does zimmerman ring a bell to anybody?

 

does zimmerman ring a bell to anybody?

 

my father and mother are seperated about an issue with some one sitorsky please let us know were he lives will get even with that mamzer

 

Pitiful Rebbeim I've had at Chassan Sofer
Rabbi Babad, never met a face he didn't slap.
Had Rabbi Ungar sr for Hebrew-Ivris - take off your googles see this hand (left one) wham with the right hand.
English principal Kirschner was always finding a way to make everyone's life miserable. Fines for everything 25 cents for not having a book cover. IDK if YCS had a retirement plan but mr kirschner sure did.
Best Rebbi there: Rabbi Pivovits

 

Anonymous above me see my post on June 6th. 9:03 PM. I didn't think Pivovotz was bad just he should have retired long before he did. You know what happened to Bencion G?

 

OH YEAH THAT ZIMMERMAN BEAT THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF ALMOST ANYBODY IN STOLIN FOR YRS.

 

M E Gross & W. Shwartz in Satmar beat the crap out if u just for picking up a FROG let them DIE (after 120 yrs)

 

S.B. from stolin threw out bochrim from yeshiva for not calling him RABBI B

 

I dont know if anybody knows Yaakov (Jack)Fiener.He is a rebbe at Yeshiva Tiferes Elimelech. He had it in for me the day i entered his classroom. There was some previous issues he had with a member of my family and boy did he take it out on me. He would single me out on a daily basis in front of the entire class just to humiliate me. Now as a young adult developing he literally destroyed my self esteem it took years to get it back. He lost a son to a drug overdose, and i cant help but wonder because of him how many grown men today are sturggling with self esteem issues. I remember how once a boy was not listening in class he walked to the back of the classroom grabbed the boy by the ear and literally pulled him to the front of the classroom. Now i know my story pales in comparison to the rest of the stories on this blog, However i would like you all to know that this rebbe continues to thrive as a rebbe in that yeshiva. Let everyone know that this is not the way to be mechanech children you do not make fun of them in front of their peers, you do not humiliate them. This emotional abuse of children in yeshivas cannot continue

 

I went to Ger, and send my son there as well . And yes, his Rebbe was R. Ephraim Birnhack. My son was never hit, he never saw the 2 x 4 (it is now extinct) and learned very well. Although I was hit at times as a child, it didn't do me any harm. R. Birnhack is known as one of the best Kriah Rebbe's, and I am thrilled that my son learned by him.

 

I went to Chasan Sofer in the 60-70's. I seemed to get a decent education. I had Rabbi Babad and Rabbi Unger and IMHO they were good rabbiem and choshiva people. They taught many kids their limudei kodesh and did a good job of it!! The hebrew principal was a super nice soft spoken person that everyone loved. While there may have been hitting - it was a different generation of rabbi - many coming over from the churban or they were the children of those survivors. Did they know better? Probably not. Did we survive? Absolutely. And we learned an important lesson...we don't hit alot. But you can't knock them because many feine yidden got good and solid educations from these rabbiem and from the yeshiva.

 

anyone had a rabbi rabinowitz in ohr shraga about some 14-15 years ago?

 

So aside from Rabbi Beyer, were/are any Rebbeim abusive in Bais Dovid in Monsey? What were your experiences there like? Were you happy there?

 

I wenty to public schoolfor eight years in the sixties and seventies. Corporal punishment was legal back then. I saw kids get spank. My seventh grade gym coach had a lareg paddle he called the "board of education". If a stuednt was misbehaving, he would have the boy drop his pants, and apply the paddle to the boy's bare buttocks (in front of the whole locker room). Abuse existed "out there". If anyone is considering leaving frumketi because they are victims of abuse, I belive they should be made aware of the fact that the outside world might not be better.

 

anonymous (above) is right. I didn't go to Jewish schools and believe me, those kids were knocked around. Teachers used to drag kids by the ears and throw them into the blackboard. Abuse exists everywhere, the question is, is the good better there? I don't think there's much good in the public schools.

 

To whomever is slandering Rabbi Basch--shame on you. I went to Kaminetz for four years, my brother went for four years, most of my friends went... He was not abusive. You are an outright liar, and you are therefore discrediting the entire post, which is a shame, because this stuff is real, I know. The second grade Rabbi in Tores Emes, Rabbi Wald, used to squeeze the cheeks of our mouths with his massive hands--that hurt. He also would make us put our hand on his desk and he would punch it, hard. SECOND GRADERS!! One kid moved his hand and he kicked the crap out of him. There was also a seventh grade sadist, Rabbi Klein, who literally punched, kicked, pulled hair... But to whoever is lying about Rabbi Basch, GET OVER WHATEVER PROBLEMS YOU HAVE AND STOP LYING. He is a good man, who was liked by most, and his name does not belong on this post.

 

lets see i had in 1st grade a rebbe slap me for knocking off a kids glasses

3rd grade i had this rebbe who really was the most violent, he would drag kids out of the room by their peyos, or if u didnt have payos u were dragged out by ur shirt. i remember one day he was writing something in a notebook got pissed about something and walked down an aisle and swatted anyone in his path with the notebook. the worst was when he flipped a kid in his desk.

ne who then there was the principal or menahel if he deserves to be called one. i could recount all the numerous encounters ive had with him hitting me, but ill skip to the worst time which would be we were lined up in a hallway and some kid punched me in the stomach and i doubled over the principal walked over to me and lifted me up by my throat screaming at the top of his lungs "if ya do that again ur outa here!!!" then dropped me and walked away too bad my dad didnt beleive me when i told him

although one kid in my class's dad did something about it his brother got slapped by our principal his stepfather came to school with a bat, grapped the principal by his tie and told him "if u touch my sons again ill bust ur head open"

moral of the story is all that fear bred lashing out and rule breaking so we werent the conforming obedient students we were intended to be.

 

Anybody with memories of Beis Yehudoh - Debreczin?

 

I went to YTV on Wilson Street in the 60's. There was a Rabbi Wisiltsky who had the fastes hand in the west. Smacked the crap out of 2nd greaders. Hope he got his punishment.

 

And who can forget MTV's 'Mickey Mouse Club' in the 60's where membership was based on older bachrim molesting younger ones?

 

How come no one talks about girls schools! Even though they didn't beat us up, they were HARSH!

 

You guys are complaining about your awful experiences in Yeshiva. At least you got into one. My son had very very misguided teachers and principals who have the nerve to give my child a bad rapp so that he has no mesivta to go to!!!!! I do not live in NY so I would have to get a tutor plus a non-sectarian private school.
I expected more from Lubavitch.

 

I place this question out to all you abused students... How can I send my child to a school that I went to that still has the same wonderful teachers there? There is no alternative!

 

Regarding the Loshon Hora issue, I believe it is a real concern for a variety or reasons.
An anonymous forum gives power to those who would seek to harm another, (my spouse's parent used this ploy against a Rabbi who was then run out of town and made his life hell). So caution is certainly in order because you can destroy a persons life (or many peoples lives) and you want to be certain before posting someones name on the internet.
What about the family. Specifically, but certainly not limited to, the children. The children did nothing wrong and may not be able to find a shidduch because of this and who knows what else etc, on the other hand I do believe that the abuser would have the din of a rodef (I am not a posek) and if so his name should be publicized so that there are no more victims.

One of my encounters with an abuser was with a “Rav” and father of 10 who took me into his office when no one was around and started telling me that sex with ones wife can become boring. I left his office immediately without responding, many were not so lucky. The part that eats me up here is that this same “Rabbi” was kicked out of another yeshiva for molesting children! and no one BOTHERED TO TRY AND STOP HIM FROM OPENING UP ANOTHER YESHIVA AND DOING IT ALL OVER AGAIN!! (this second yeshiva was operating for many years before the abuse was caught in the act. Rav Shach told him to leave). I believe that those people who kept their mouths closed have a lot to answer for (shtika kehodaa). Interestingly many years later I crashed a wedding of an old friend of mine and came face-to-face with the father of the Kallah, it took all that I had not to hit him in the face, I shook his hand and gave him a mazal tov and left quite shaken. I would like to think that if I heard of him opening up another yeshiva I would speak up.
(As a side note he did run a cult in the yeshiva, if you would like I could give details)

Another concern, people post names here without using first names this is also a problem as there are only so many Jewish names and it is very possible to make a mistake (sometimes even IF you use the first names)
If people would post their own names it would be a little better however this will never happen, as people want anonymity (as do I). So, in conclusion I believe that tact is in order here and care should be taken. And if someone is no longer a danger or no longer living I believe there is no need to mention his name and quite possibly asur legamrei.

 

I got beaten by many Rebbees, as did other children. This is in the 60's and early 70's. However the goyim who taught secular subjects did similar things. There was a gym teacher who made us take off our "slipper" and he would whack our backside with it. There was another teacher who would teach with a cloak (this is England) and would bring slippers to hit us with. He once told us that as a goodbye gift from the previous school he received a box with 40 odd slippers. We had others hitting nuts too. Now, there were some normal ones too. So, while in my recollection there were more hitting and more sadistic Rebbees than goyishe teachers, it seems to have been a spirit of the time. Recall that parents did far more hitting than they do today. For the longest time, hitting was assumed to be normal, and accepted as normal by the kids receiving it. Of course, the parents assumed that children were always wrong in the face of the parents. That some of us turned out right is a pure miracle in my opinion.

 

I'm 43 and attended Mirrer Yeshiva HS from 1978-82. I was a big kid (6'1" , 170 lbs in 10th grade) so R' Klein never hit me (perhaps he thought I'd hit him back), but once he did grab my shirt front once so hard that he ripped a button off. I had many friends who were belted by R' Klein on a daily basis.

I never heard of any sexual molestation problems with any of the rebbeim in MYHS in those days. Perhaps they were hushed up. I don't know.

To be honest with you, I've never been angry at R' Klein for what he did to kids. I truly believe that he was doing what he thought was right to keep 300+ horny, hormone-driven teenage boys in line. I just don't believe that he was a sadist, although in retrospect his methods were questionable at best. Hindsight is always 20/20, though.

You just can't compare the '70s to 2008.You have to remember that in the '70s, it was normal for rebbeim to hit kids. Many of the parents of the day were from Europe and themselves had been hit by rebbeim and their own parents, so to them if you were hit by the rebbe, it must have been your fault. Things have obviously changed, since today's parents (including me) remember the hitting and will not put up with it.

I also had R' Eckstein twice during my time at MYHS. I will reserve comment on him since saying what I think serves no purpose other than to tell loshen hara. If you had or knew R' Eckstein, lets just say we probably feel the same way about him.

By the way, I also attended an all-boys yeshiva for elementary school. It was Yeshiva Ohr Yisroel in Forest Hills, Queens. Rebbeim there hit the kids too (one hit a friend of mine with a hockey stick and another hit a friend with a metal-edged ruler, slicing open his lip), but I also knew some great rebbeim there. One of these rebbeim, R' Boruch Eisenberg, was the greatest rebbe I ever had and everyone who ever had him loved him then and now. I also had a few other great rebbeim there.

To be honest, I think the rebbeim who hit were products of their times. Of course, any rebbe who touches my kids today will get his ass kicked severely by me and the school will get sued asap.

 

Agree with the poster about Rabbi Ungarisher being great in YTV in the eighties. And I think it was Rabbi Brown in 4th grade, with the contact lenses? Also an angel.

Also right on the money with R. Wilner, R. Kushner, and R. Feinstein. I once saw R. Feinstein spend 1 hole hour of class chewing out a kid for telling his parents that the rebbi picked on him. Disgraceful.

 

Can anyone share me ah bissel recheelis about Joe "the Sadist" Klein, principal-tyrant of the Mirrer Yeshiva? That asshole traumatized me and I've had serious issues with authority figures ever since. I attended Mir from 1966-68. When did he pass away? What happened to his two sons who attended Mir around that time.
KO (Kalman Oosher)

 

K.O. vaiter...
I never experienced Joe Klein's "watch the keys" shtikkel. He had a whole assortment of tricks in his school bag, some of which he perfected on my punim. He had mastered the art and science of flipping a coin into the air, slapping your (my) face and catching the coin before it hit the ground. Was this just a case of an Ungarsheh trying to pass himself off as a kalteh Litvak, or was he stahmm in gantzen arup fin di geheeren?

 

I attended YTV in Williamsburg in the late 60's, early 70's, YOB & Toras Emes in the 70's & finally graduated from Torah Acadamy of New Haven CT in 1981. I never was hit BUT i did witness alot of abuse. Toras Emes,(1650 56th St) 5th grade, Rabbi W. hits my pal J so hard he knocks his glasses out the 2nd floor window. Just one item of abuse out of hundreds. No longer frum but it has more to do with the holocaust then anything else. No kids either, thank goodness.

 

I went to a non jewish all girls school in the 60's in England and corporal punishment was used liberely mostly ruler on palm of hand in front of the class but the headmistress had a slipper in her office which she used on realy naughty girls. I got it once aged eleven, for doodling on the desk. The teacher sent me to the office with a note and I was given a big telling of and then she took out a big black P.E. slipper put a chair in the middle of the office and made me stand behind the chair and rest my hands on the seat and she gave me six hard smacks. I was crying teriebly and was warm for at least an hour but that was the punishments of those days

 

I feel I need to set the record str8. So here we go. Ephraim Birnhak, father of Meir Birnhak has been the Aleph Bais Rebbe in Yeshiva Yagdil Torah (ger) for 40 years aprox. He is the longest serving rebbe @ the school bar none. The reason u c here different views on him is because some remember him from different eras! As his talmid from the 70s I can confirm unequivaly that he was 1 hell of a damn brute. If u peed in your pants because he wouldnt let u go to the bathroom, he sat u outside the classroom in the hall for all to see. I was 1 of many to whom it happened to & saw him do this well into the 80s. As a result of breaking my spirit I never regained my sense of self and was later molested by other gerrer mechanchim. The bastard also used 2x4s of huge lengths on bare tushes. My pop saw the results on my bare rare that nite but was too of a wimp to protest.

Regarding his son Meir let it be known that the MAMZER attempted to get me into his bed when i was a teen in camp ger. Were it not for a staff member looking in from a window he would of had me.....

Many years l8r I heard from my relative that meir abused him and his brother while a rebbe in another yeshiva.
Today he is monitored by the gerrer rav, moshe foigel, for what it is worth

 

To those who LIED about Rabbi Dovid Trenk, formerly of the Adelphia Yeshiva & currently Rosh HaYeshiva of Yeshiva Moreshes Yehoshua. I am a former talmud of Adelphia and had Rabbi Trenk in the 9th grade. Though I felt he was tough on us, he was also quite loving, but not in a sexual monner. He loved and loves all his talmidim, past and present, and will go down in the books as a gadol hador and rebbe par excellence!

 

He should Burn in hell! he ruined my whole family! His name is Mordechai Sitorsky, he impregnated his wife before they got married...sorry for their oldest son Duvi... I know a whole lot about this guy & his pervert family! They shall be wiped off the face of earth in the most vicious way!
He still teaches in Flatbush, holds shiurim for women &girls & has a Fu**ed up website!! Behind bars with all child molester, rapists &abusers!

 

This guy is still on his mission....never ending abuse! And let me tell u there's no way he's gonna get to prison he has protection in DA office

 

Rabbi klein. .unlike numerous others was like Apple stock in the early 90s...you didn't appreciate his vision and ability until years later....he's one of the few I wish I could thank...and I'm far from a poster boy for the Mirrer Yeshiva

 

Yeshiva Chasan Sofer in the 70's, The young Rabbi Unger's 5th grade class: when ever I used to look out of the mishnoyos thinking about holacost stories from my parents etc. Rabbi Unger used to igive me such a "frosk"" (a very hard smack) across the side of my head, the entire side of my face , my cheek, my ear hurt & felt puffy for hours, & than the English department was no better, my history teacher Mr. Gleisher (a hippy) I announced to other boys I know his first name "Jeff" so Glesher smacked my cheek & that than gave me a referral card to go to the office of where assistant principal Norman Kirshner took a wooden black board pointer & kept on sticking & pushing it into my stomach & viciously screaming how do I say that hippys first name.
I was never interested in learning a word since, but Baruch Hashem I remained frum, I left yeshiva at age 17 & went to work as an apprentice mechanic and did very well, at age 21 I begun my own shop ( business) and I'm a huge success for the past 32 years & I now support 3 married children & their families , but too many of my class mates were not as fortunate.

 

I had Rabbi Weinbaum in the late 70s, 3rd grade. He slammed my chin upwards several times.
Rabbi Elias Schwartz, the principal, would repeatedly hit people in the forehead with a stiffened finger or the heel of his hand. I once saw him line up a small group of boys, had them face the wall, and he kicked each one in the butt.
Rabbi Respler never hit me, but he once leaned over my desk in a threatening manner and shouted at me that he'd "crack my skull".
These are small things compared to what others experienced on this blog, but I gotta say that it hurts all the same. If I haven't forgotten these by now, I suppose I never will.
Today, I'm a rebbie in a MO school. I'd never act as they did. There's no excuse for it.