Monday, September 04, 2006
BREAKING NEWS - Hamodia Newspaper writes about controversial issue
In an extremely rare, against-type occurrence, the Hamodia Newspaper printed information that may, by some, be seen as entering into an issue of controversy. The English language Jewish newspaper, which routinely reprints Associated Press articles in their pages and is usually devoid of all opinion and originality, has decided to mention the Treife chicken situation that is taking place in Monsey. The newspaper did not by any means write all that had actually transpired at the morally bankrupt butcher shop, but did at least advise people on how to approach rectifying their defiled dishes. I guess the boss is still on vacation, boy will heads be flying when she gets back.
In an extremely rare, against-type occurrence, the Hamodia Newspaper printed information that may, by some, be seen as entering into an issue of controversy. The English language Jewish newspaper, which routinely reprints Associated Press articles in their pages and is usually devoid of all opinion and originality, has decided to mention the Treife chicken situation that is taking place in Monsey. The newspaper did not by any means write all that had actually transpired at the morally bankrupt butcher shop, but did at least advise people on how to approach rectifying their defiled dishes. I guess the boss is still on vacation, boy will heads be flying when she gets back.
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CHAPTZEM U ARE THE ONLY ONE COVERING THIS STORY LIKE USUAL HAMODIA DESERVES TO BE SHUT DOWN
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: September 05, 2006 2:01 AM
: September 05, 2006 2:01 AM
Oh! The Butcher shop or the ROSHA who did the dirty trick is OK only the Hamodia is a sheigetz??????
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 05, 2006 11:37 AM
: September 05, 2006 11:37 AM
I’d like to weigh in on a couple of thoughts from out in the boondocks. We live in a world where we like to believe that perception is reality. We judge people by the environment they are in, the clothes they where, the moves, the looks and the shprach.
Once again our greater Jewish community is shaken from those core commitments. A frum butcher, in a frum store, in a frum neighborhood, is blatantly accused of fooling customers by mislabeling treif chickens as kosher.
The story is not clear as who is to blame. It will be, but for the purpose of this writer it makes no difference whether it was the butcher, the distributor, the Mashgiah, the Rav HaMachshir or the landlord.
Until the scandal each one of them had something we know as a chezkas kashrus. So we were happy walking into a store seeing a sea of black jackets, a bunch of beards, barrels of pickles with exclusively haimishe hashgacha, and we bought to outrhearts content. No questions as to who is the Rav HaMachshir, who is the butcher, who is the distributor or the meat packer.
The ambience of kashrus had permeated the store with its every product bedecked with Hebrew letters and heimish names coronating it with the crown of kashrus.
I say the greater community, and I don’t want to totally exclude myself, but maybe I’m like the fellow in one of Rabbi Krohn’s stories.
The Rabbi was preaching to a packed crowd. The mood was somber and tense as he expounded on the gravity of sin. He exhorted the massed to repent – to do teshuva – and to come back to the faith and laws of their Creator. Then he added the clincher. He was reluctant to use the power of those words, but he knew that they would stir his audience.
"Does everybody in this community know what is going to happen to them?" He asked. "Everyone in this community is going to die!"
Everyone in the audience was aghast with fear. The somberness of the moment was captured in the deep creases that suddenly formed upon their faces.
Except for one elderly gentleman who sat in the second row directly in front of the rabbi. He had a broad smile on his face. In fact, he was chuckling. The rabbi was disturbed. Perhaps the old timer did not get the point. In even louder tones the rabbi implored, "It is time to repent!" Then he added, this time with increased fervor, "Did you hear me? Everyone in this community is going to die!"
The man’s smile broadened. He seemed numb to the countenance of his fellow listeners – the rabbi's words simply had no effect on him.
The rabbi stared directly at him and with a passion in his voice, he asked "What's the matter with you? Don't you realize that everyone in this community is going to die?"
The old man stared back, his smile broader than ever. "Heh Heh! He chuckled. It's alright rabbi, I'm not from this community!"
Well, readers, I am not from “this community.” I don’t live in Monsey. I live out of town. And when I see Hebrew letters on a bag of popcorn, a thrill runs up my spine. WOW! Howdeydoodat!?
And when my kids see a stranger with a yarmulke, or a stranger with a beard and payos, they get as excited as if one of the Gedolim flew in from Eretz Yisrael!
So in a world where Yiddishkiet is always hiding behind the apron of the secular, if not WASP Society. I envied all of those who take kashrus for granted. I envied all of those of you whose hashgacha is not dependent upon the swiftness or the sharpness of the knife that slaughtered the chicken, but rather by the length of the payos or the frock or the bekeshe of the fellow who sold it.
So in my little town, I have to ask questions. “Where did this meat come from? Mr. Butcher, are you Shomer Shabbos? Where did you learn how to salt meat. Who was there at the delivery?
And when you answer, “The Mashgiach was there,” I respond. “Oh? The mashgiach? Who is the Mashgiach? And whose in charge of him? Was he there when the meat was unloaded? Did he see the seal?”
And when you tell me the name of the Rav HaMachshir, I have to ask what the fact that he knows how to teach, or give a great drasha or explain a Shach has to do with his ability to understand supply and demand and realize whether or not chickens are falling off the back of a truck.
What was the worst kashrus scenario that he dealt with? Did a butcher ever try to pull a fast one on him? Did the owner of the shop ever threaten him.
OK So they know me in town as a nudnik. But they respect me. I am the Ben Torah. I am the Yeshiva Man. The frumie. I am not ridiculed by asking the questions. And believe it or not, the butcher, the mashgiach, the Rav haMachshir take pride in answering them. They know I take nothing for granted. And I can’t.
My butcher has no little payalach to impress me. He doesn’t where a black hat. He wears the cap of the local football team and doesn’t try to impress me with his piety. He just wants me to know that he is a simple butcher and follows the rules that his Rabbi set for him.
He does not have the keys to the freezer. He can’t get in there by himself. Oh. he’s frum allright. But he does not even want the keys. He sayss that’s the way it was with the last butcher and he said that’s fine by him. And if Let the Mashgiach open the vault.
So I am stuck in the world where I have to ask questions. I have to eat Heinz Ketchup and Hellman’s mayonnaise (two products that were left untainted by the vinegar scandal some 20 years ago). And unless some cousin flies in from Boro Park, I am stuck with Wise potato chips. Yep, I live with the Goyim. And I have to always be on guard when I walk into my butcher store.
But you know what. It sure beats eating treife chickens.
Signed
A Jew who takes nothing for granted somewhere in the Carolinas
Once again our greater Jewish community is shaken from those core commitments. A frum butcher, in a frum store, in a frum neighborhood, is blatantly accused of fooling customers by mislabeling treif chickens as kosher.
The story is not clear as who is to blame. It will be, but for the purpose of this writer it makes no difference whether it was the butcher, the distributor, the Mashgiah, the Rav HaMachshir or the landlord.
Until the scandal each one of them had something we know as a chezkas kashrus. So we were happy walking into a store seeing a sea of black jackets, a bunch of beards, barrels of pickles with exclusively haimishe hashgacha, and we bought to outrhearts content. No questions as to who is the Rav HaMachshir, who is the butcher, who is the distributor or the meat packer.
The ambience of kashrus had permeated the store with its every product bedecked with Hebrew letters and heimish names coronating it with the crown of kashrus.
I say the greater community, and I don’t want to totally exclude myself, but maybe I’m like the fellow in one of Rabbi Krohn’s stories.
The Rabbi was preaching to a packed crowd. The mood was somber and tense as he expounded on the gravity of sin. He exhorted the massed to repent – to do teshuva – and to come back to the faith and laws of their Creator. Then he added the clincher. He was reluctant to use the power of those words, but he knew that they would stir his audience.
"Does everybody in this community know what is going to happen to them?" He asked. "Everyone in this community is going to die!"
Everyone in the audience was aghast with fear. The somberness of the moment was captured in the deep creases that suddenly formed upon their faces.
Except for one elderly gentleman who sat in the second row directly in front of the rabbi. He had a broad smile on his face. In fact, he was chuckling. The rabbi was disturbed. Perhaps the old timer did not get the point. In even louder tones the rabbi implored, "It is time to repent!" Then he added, this time with increased fervor, "Did you hear me? Everyone in this community is going to die!"
The man’s smile broadened. He seemed numb to the countenance of his fellow listeners – the rabbi's words simply had no effect on him.
The rabbi stared directly at him and with a passion in his voice, he asked "What's the matter with you? Don't you realize that everyone in this community is going to die?"
The old man stared back, his smile broader than ever. "Heh Heh! He chuckled. It's alright rabbi, I'm not from this community!"
Well, readers, I am not from “this community.” I don’t live in Monsey. I live out of town. And when I see Hebrew letters on a bag of popcorn, a thrill runs up my spine. WOW! Howdeydoodat!?
And when my kids see a stranger with a yarmulke, or a stranger with a beard and payos, they get as excited as if one of the Gedolim flew in from Eretz Yisrael!
So in a world where Yiddishkiet is always hiding behind the apron of the secular, if not WASP Society. I envied all of those who take kashrus for granted. I envied all of those of you whose hashgacha is not dependent upon the swiftness or the sharpness of the knife that slaughtered the chicken, but rather by the length of the payos or the frock or the bekeshe of the fellow who sold it.
So in my little town, I have to ask questions. “Where did this meat come from? Mr. Butcher, are you Shomer Shabbos? Where did you learn how to salt meat. Who was there at the delivery?
And when you answer, “The Mashgiach was there,” I respond. “Oh? The mashgiach? Who is the Mashgiach? And whose in charge of him? Was he there when the meat was unloaded? Did he see the seal?”
And when you tell me the name of the Rav HaMachshir, I have to ask what the fact that he knows how to teach, or give a great drasha or explain a Shach has to do with his ability to understand supply and demand and realize whether or not chickens are falling off the back of a truck.
What was the worst kashrus scenario that he dealt with? Did a butcher ever try to pull a fast one on him? Did the owner of the shop ever threaten him.
OK So they know me in town as a nudnik. But they respect me. I am the Ben Torah. I am the Yeshiva Man. The frumie. I am not ridiculed by asking the questions. And believe it or not, the butcher, the mashgiach, the Rav haMachshir take pride in answering them. They know I take nothing for granted. And I can’t.
My butcher has no little payalach to impress me. He doesn’t where a black hat. He wears the cap of the local football team and doesn’t try to impress me with his piety. He just wants me to know that he is a simple butcher and follows the rules that his Rabbi set for him.
He does not have the keys to the freezer. He can’t get in there by himself. Oh. he’s frum allright. But he does not even want the keys. He sayss that’s the way it was with the last butcher and he said that’s fine by him. And if Let the Mashgiach open the vault.
So I am stuck in the world where I have to ask questions. I have to eat Heinz Ketchup and Hellman’s mayonnaise (two products that were left untainted by the vinegar scandal some 20 years ago). And unless some cousin flies in from Boro Park, I am stuck with Wise potato chips. Yep, I live with the Goyim. And I have to always be on guard when I walk into my butcher store.
But you know what. It sure beats eating treife chickens.
Signed
A Jew who takes nothing for granted somewhere in the Carolinas
CHAPTZEM COMES THROUGH FOR US AGAIN! KUDOS! BUT PLEASE...PROVIDE US WITH A MORE DETAILED ACCOUNT. YASHER KOACH!
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 05, 2006 2:55 PM
: September 05, 2006 2:55 PM
Nope..The Butcher Shop is as rotten as they come and should be hung up to dry but on the other hand Hamodia knows where their bread is buttered and will never report the truth if their"RABONIM" and "ROSHEI YESHIVA" tell them not to do (or do) something. Like that full page ad CUURSING the people that would dare vote against a building variance that one their compadres "THE CHEDER" is going for..Well, I guess "DAAS TORAH" means whatever works for THEM...I'm not Chas Vesholom an Anti-Semite or Roshei Yeshiva hater, it just hurts that we don't have any rolemodels for our children and grand children as the had in previous generations...very sad
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 05, 2006 5:10 PM
: September 05, 2006 5:10 PM
You're such an extra large a-hole!!! No breaking news about the scandal only about what Hamodia did write or didn't write makes the headlines????? I don't know how good hamodia is nut it certainly beats this crazy blog trillion times.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 06, 2006 8:27 AM
: September 06, 2006 8:27 AM
To "it just hurts that we don't have any rolemodels"- How right you are! We do have some fine, ehrlich role models, but way too few, and they don't get the notoriety they deserve, possibly because they shy away from the limelight. We have too many Rabbonim that give Rabbonus a bad name.
To "You're such an extra large...":It's rather humorous to read posts like "it certainly beats this crazy blog trillion times".
If it's so crazy, why are you reading it and posting on it? Who is the large............after all?
And
To "You're such an extra large...":It's rather humorous to read posts like "it certainly beats this crazy blog trillion times".
If it's so crazy, why are you reading it and posting on it? Who is the large............after all?
And
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 06, 2006 9:41 AM
: September 06, 2006 9:41 AM
Don't you people get it it seems to me that thousands of people made their homes treif and ate something that stays in the person as we know meat when eaten penetrates the body and stays in the blood stream.
it is the responsibility of a newspaper to notify all the people involved for the proper procedure to be done to correct their treife homes I would be very dissapointed if they wouldn't have reported it
it is the responsibility of a newspaper to notify all the people involved for the proper procedure to be done to correct their treife homes I would be very dissapointed if they wouldn't have reported it
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 06, 2006 12:37 PM
: September 06, 2006 12:37 PM
I have a question? But before the question I would like to just clarify a couple of facts.
1) The person who sold the meat commited a terrible sin.
2) Screaming and shouting (although understandable due to the magnitude of the scandal) will not change the fact that non kosher meat was unfortunately consumed.
3) Rabbi Breslauer (the Rav Hamachshir) is a tremendous talmid chochom and ehrliche yid.
4) What happened in this scandal could have happened to any Rav Hamachshir.
The question I have is that when a person commits a sin he/she justifies it to themselves. We are also used to the fact that Hashem has mercy on us and allows us to do Teshuvah. Why is it that when it comes to other peoples sins we don't even think that maybe he can do teshuva. I am not condoning what he did, but but all the yelling and screaming and name calling will not accomplish anything. Has anyone even thought to himself What a rachmanus he is, I wish he would do teshuva.
In this month of Elul let us get our priorities straight and ask Hashem for mercy. We all need to search our own souls and not seek to find blame in others. If kashrus means something to you let us daven that we are not nichshol again in such a terrible sin.
Wishing you all a Kesiva Va'chasima Tova.
1) The person who sold the meat commited a terrible sin.
2) Screaming and shouting (although understandable due to the magnitude of the scandal) will not change the fact that non kosher meat was unfortunately consumed.
3) Rabbi Breslauer (the Rav Hamachshir) is a tremendous talmid chochom and ehrliche yid.
4) What happened in this scandal could have happened to any Rav Hamachshir.
The question I have is that when a person commits a sin he/she justifies it to themselves. We are also used to the fact that Hashem has mercy on us and allows us to do Teshuvah. Why is it that when it comes to other peoples sins we don't even think that maybe he can do teshuva. I am not condoning what he did, but but all the yelling and screaming and name calling will not accomplish anything. Has anyone even thought to himself What a rachmanus he is, I wish he would do teshuva.
In this month of Elul let us get our priorities straight and ask Hashem for mercy. We all need to search our own souls and not seek to find blame in others. If kashrus means something to you let us daven that we are not nichshol again in such a terrible sin.
Wishing you all a Kesiva Va'chasima Tova.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 06, 2006 1:16 PM
: September 06, 2006 1:16 PM
I don't know what Hamodia you're reading, but the Hamodia I get has reported on many such issues that have come up in the Jewish community, inclduing the Boro Park riots and the Indian sheital fiasco, to name some of the bigger headlines. The article I read on the treif-chicken was plenty good, and they also included the notice from many Rabbanim on the issue. Further more, they say that the editorials posted in their paper do not reflect the opinions of the paper itself, but I doubt that they would even publish something that they really didn't agree with, and had there was at least one long good editorial on the Monsey meat scandal. Maybe you need new glasses.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 18, 2006 9:54 PM
: September 18, 2006 9:54 PM
Hey Folks! If you think for one second that "ANY" assembly line Shchita is good you are SADLY mistaken?
Empire's schochtim are brainwashed into giving out FALSE information.
For example ask the "Rabbis" how the neveilos are removed from the line when there are many schochtim working at the same time. And someone finds a "Pegimeh" on his Chalef rendering everything he Shechted since the last chalef checking, NEVEILO. There is no way these chickens or turkeys can be found individually as they have long disappeared down the processing line. What is the HETER "NEVEILO" never becomes BOTEL. amongst so many other problems such as, Schochtim not sleeping enough, not getting adequate breaks to daven or eat.
The New York schochtim arrive at approximately 10:00 o'clock Sunday evening after a FIVE hour trip. Then are READY to start Schito at 5:00 a.m. The Schochtim from Baltimore come in on Monday morning By about 5:45 so the can start working at 6:30 a.m. this after getting up between 2:30 & 3:00 and driving for 2 1\2 hours Of the travellers are the Drivers as well who go to Shecht half drunk from tiredness.
"ANYONE" have any concrete answers?????????
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Empire's schochtim are brainwashed into giving out FALSE information.
For example ask the "Rabbis" how the neveilos are removed from the line when there are many schochtim working at the same time. And someone finds a "Pegimeh" on his Chalef rendering everything he Shechted since the last chalef checking, NEVEILO. There is no way these chickens or turkeys can be found individually as they have long disappeared down the processing line. What is the HETER "NEVEILO" never becomes BOTEL. amongst so many other problems such as, Schochtim not sleeping enough, not getting adequate breaks to daven or eat.
The New York schochtim arrive at approximately 10:00 o'clock Sunday evening after a FIVE hour trip. Then are READY to start Schito at 5:00 a.m. The Schochtim from Baltimore come in on Monday morning By about 5:45 so the can start working at 6:30 a.m. this after getting up between 2:30 & 3:00 and driving for 2 1\2 hours Of the travellers are the Drivers as well who go to Shecht half drunk from tiredness.
"ANYONE" have any concrete answers?????????
PLEASE POST
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : October 24, 2006 2:16 AM
: October 24, 2006 2:16 AM
Hey Yiddelach!
Yesterday 8 Cheshvan at night (oct.30) Women occupied the MAIN Beis Medrash of "Rav Heinemann". Where a "lady" was delivering a speach from the front of the Shul.
She was standing in the same spot the Rabbi delivers his speaches from in front of the Aron Kodesh.
After the speach or meeting of "NSHEI AGUDAH" men and women.
mingled in the lobby together.
"Just another TID BIT about our ORTHODOX Rabbis and their shuls. How can this happen in an ORTHODOX Shul calling itself AGUDAS YISROEL?Who is really reliable in todays CORRUPT world.
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Yesterday 8 Cheshvan at night (oct.30) Women occupied the MAIN Beis Medrash of "Rav Heinemann". Where a "lady" was delivering a speach from the front of the Shul.
She was standing in the same spot the Rabbi delivers his speaches from in front of the Aron Kodesh.
After the speach or meeting of "NSHEI AGUDAH" men and women.
mingled in the lobby together.
"Just another TID BIT about our ORTHODOX Rabbis and their shuls. How can this happen in an ORTHODOX Shul calling itself AGUDAS YISROEL?Who is really reliable in todays CORRUPT world.
This message brought to you by:
$$$"CASHRUTH CURRENTS"$$$
IN MONEY WE TRUST
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : October 31, 2006 1:53 PM
: October 31, 2006 1:53 PM
