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IS IT BECAUSE THAT YINGERMAN WAS NOT DRESSED TZINIUSDIG?

 

STOP MAKING LITZUNES OF DAAS TORAH OUR GEDOLIM HAVE TO COME OUT AGAINST THE WAY OUR WOMEN DRESS DID U EVER WALK DOWN 13TH AVE. U DONT THINK ALOT OF OUR PROBLEMS COME FROM THIS

 

wow, way to spin it dude. evidence of a very limited education. all i gather from the article is that cause and fault are yet to be determined.

 

The Yingerman should not be indulging his taivos. This is another casualty -- of the gashmius of America.

And, yes, 13th Av in the summer is Boro Park's Turn-of-th-Century Boardwalk!

It is so sad that the young women don't realize what they are doing. Men have complained to rabbonim about this nisayon, but .... I believe that other women have a responsibility to make a difference and say something discreetly and sincerely.

 

To " 13th Av in the summer is Boro Park's Turn-of-th-Century Boardwalk"

Are you talking about the same 13th Avenue that I see every day?

What in heaven's name is wrong with the Heimishe women's clothing? Yes we have cleaning ladies dressing not Tzniusdik who walk on 13th Avenue, but by and large, our women are very Medakdek! Maybe you'd like to turn 13th Avenue into Monroe? There's Din and Lifnim Meshuras Hadin.

 

ToSTOP MAKING LITZUNES OF DAAS TORAH OUR GEDOLIM HAVE TO COME OUT AGAINST THE WAY OUR WOMEN DRESS DID U EVER WALK DOWN 13TH AVE. U DONT THINK ALOT OF OUR PROBLEMS COME FROM THIS-

How do you know it's not because of Krimme Shtik?

 

I want a good eggroll

 

I am confused. Here the precious yingerman is saved from death by hashgacha protis, and someone is blaming his good hashgacha protis on women's tznius dress on 13th avenue?!?!

If this had happened a few hundred feel lower in altitude, he may not have walked away from it.

He will be benching gomail and thanking Hashem.

Maybe his good fortune is due to the very tzniusdik ways of our precious wonderful bnos Yisroel.

I used to see more sheitlech, and not, boruch Hashem, I am seeing more sheitlech covered with tzniusdik hats, and still more of our holy women wearing teechels, or shitz & teechels.

I am seeing, Boruch Hashem, more seemed stockings and more opaque black tights.

I have never seen our precious Yiddishe wives dressing better and more tzniusdik.

Maybe it is in his wife's zchus that Hashem spared his life.

And,yes, I know about flying. I have my private pilots license and have been flying for over 20 years.

Teivah? I love to fly across a large, smooth lake, or look down on the beautiful world that Hashem Yisborach created FOR US!

It gives me such a wonderful feeling of gratitude to our Creator, and a truthful idea of my own smallness, and insignificance.
Overall, I find it very uplifting, and helpful to my tefillah and bitachon. I love to get in a few hours of simple solo flying before Yomin Noraim. (away from traffic areas, of course.)

 

my taste tends more towards soft tacos than eggrolls

 

Chaptzem you got it wrong. The yingerman had to explain it to his rebetzin.

 

Anon 8:28 PM:
Next time before Yomim Noraim instead of flying a few hours why not do some tshuva for looking at all those seemed stockings and opaque black tights.

 

The Chassidic community should not be driving cars much less airplanes. Just my $.02

 

Anonymous said...
Anon 8:28 PM:
Next time before Yomim Noraim instead of flying a few hours why not do some tshuva for looking at all those seemed stockings and opaque black tights.

November 13, 2007 1:38

Amen. Well said.

 

was it the 'flying chassidim' on youtube by any chance?

 

I know the Yingerman personally, he is a great guy.

And a great pilot !!!

The other pilot was 100% at fault.

Here is a recording of what went on.

http://www.avweb.com/other/FRG_MidAir_TowerAudio.mp3

 

Anon 7:25,

What the heck are you thinking?

Chassidim are not Amish.

Now f$$%^ off.

 

who is this yingeman?

 

I say that all women on 13th ave should wear Burkas like our Muslim neighbors and whomever is caught without one will get a beating just like the Taliban in Afganastan.
Hi Ho silver

 

What in the name of all that's holy and sacred, does the way that women dress, have to do with someone crashing their plane? Besides, tznius applies to men too, not that anyone would notice, but it's not like heiligah yeshivah bochurim are all that wonderful these days either.

 

tacos are to salty

 

Anon 1:38

Ah, so unless I am such a perfect tzadik that I don't see a women's clothing I am worth criticizing?
It is easy to notice that our frum women are wearing the Chassidish 100 denier seemed stockings or black tights. One does not need to be staring. Just the minimum looking that would allow us to see where we were going. And, it IS a pleasure to see them dressed tzniusdik instead of the thin nylons that unfortunately too many non-heimishe women wear.

When one had to interact with a woman... and yes, sometimes we do, we quickly notice if the woman is dressed appropriately or not. It does not take "inappropriate LOOKING" to see.

Maybe there are some tzadikim would could walk down the street, not crash into people, but not notice if they are wearing miniskirts with no stockings or long dresses with opaque stockings. I guess I need to strive toward that madreiga.

Anon 7:25

I guess once upon a time someone said we should ride only camels and not use the modern conveniences of a wagon pulled by a horse.
I do not agree.
When I learned to fly all those years ago, it allowed me to get home to my family for Shabbos. That made it worthwhile for me.
I worked in Pittsburg area, and lived in Brooklyn. I would tied my plane down in Elizabeth, NJ Friday afternoon, Shabbos and Sunday, and fly to Latrobe, PA, Monday AM.

Yes,it also became a hobby, and I did continue flying even when I did not use it for parnasa. Is there something wrong with this? Do non of you ever go for a relaxing drive in the country?

Either way, with today's AvGas prices, I can't afford to fly anymore.

Remember, if Chassidim stayed on Horseback, or horse-pulled wagons, how did all the Rebbe's and Chassdim get to the USA?

I believe most took ships and airplanes.

By the way, just a derech agav, one of my flight instructors, out of Allegheny County Airport, became a chevrusa for me, and we used to learn in the FBO's office when the weather was bad... frequent in that area.

Flying an airplane is not evil. It is actually easier than driving an automobile (once you learn how.

I have heard of a mohel who flies to many towns to perform brisses.

And, if I had the money, I would love to buy a home on a runway, with a hangar in the back and a car garage in the front. I can't for two reasons:

1) I can't afford them
2) Don't know of any with frum residents within walking distance to a kosher shul for Shabbos.

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Just remember, my original point was not that I recommended flying. It was that what happened to this yingerman was that Hashgacha Protis, the watchful eye of the Eibishter, saved his life.

and I said that maybe his life was spared due to the zchus of our wives dressing tzniusdik.

I said this in opposition to those who keep seeing everything bad as caused by pritzus, and said that I saw this as a happy good thing, and that I do not see all this pritzus that they see.

My wife, and most of her friends, wear a short chassidishe sheitel, covered by a hat, or just a shpitz and teechel. I thought this was a nice improvement over how I used to see people dress in BP.

Do we want everyone to dress like Monroe? It would be nice. My wife and her friends do. But the other writer IS correct. This is lifnim meshuras hadin.

Though very conservative Chassidish suits and dresses would be nice, As long as the women wear long dresses/skirts, long sleeves and high necklines, and don't wear clothing that emphasizes their shapes that is kosher. ... and though it is nice if they cut their hair very close, as long as they do not show any of their own hair that is kosher.

Shoes need to be closed, of course, but though black tights or 100+ denier stocking with seams is best, those who dress with very long dresses, and wear 70+ denier stockings are still kosher... even without seams. Seams are our newfangled hangup, not halacha.

Yes, I would prefer to see all of our heimishe women shaving their heads, wearing shpits & teechel, and black tights.

BUT, to say that those who don't are guilty of pritzus is equally wrong. We are being extra machmir. Let's not see our chumros as din, for if we do, then we misjudge innocent Yiddishe women who are dressing k'halacha.

Now, that being said, more important than how they dress, is how they act.... but that is another story....

Bottom line. Let's all stop blaming and putting each other down.

I am sick and tired of hearing /reading that every time something happens, "It is caused by pritzus".... maybe it is caused by the men's misbehavior!

 

Just a little clarification:

Torah learning is a segula for men, and
Tznius is THE segula for women and her children.

Yes tznius includes clothing, manerisms, and thoughts. But no one who walks on 13 Ave during the summer can in all honesty say that there walk tznius women. Like life in America has become 'discount' and 'plastic throw-aways' so has become the inner quality of many a heimishe action. Really, do we need a "fress-on-wheels" in every neighborhood?

You don't realize the devastation that has claimed yiddishkeit in America. The mighty US Dollar has become the avoda zara.

Shpitles, sheitels with hats or scarves, seamed hose are not proper tznius clothing for women. The two world wars ravaged the tznius way of living for men and women.

Unfortunately the eyes of Am Yisroel are blinded by this Galus - by the gashmius of the Goldene Medina. America is near the end of its intended purpose.

 

I have a friend in London who flys a plane and wears a shtriemel but not at the same time so good for any yid who does something 'different'

 

And why exactly do we need to refer to him as a YINGERMAN. He is a pilot , no more no less. You want to say that he is jewish , fine. But whats this YINGERMAN ,ALTERMAN balony?? who cares?

 

Maybe women should never leave the house unless wearing a circus tent. Or better yet stay inside all day. It's not like women need fresh air or really have any needs at all. Let's see they can support their very choshuv husband with a home based business. They can shop via Fresh Direct and catalogues. They can shove the kids out of a little doggy door in the morning so the bus driver doesn't see the shape of their head or their scandalously low denier stockings. When going on vacation you can save big bucks and promote tznius by packing them in a suitcase instead of allowing them to be spotted on an airplane - Aaahhh the levels of tznius obtainable in this century are just gevaldik.

 

I realize that Chaptzem is not exactly "Aviation Week and Space Technology" but enough already.

The National Transportation Safety Board says that there are an average of 4 general aviation (e.g. private planes) accidents every day of the year.

Most of them are caused by what the Board calls "human factors," the most usual of which is attributable to errors by the pilot. (Anyone remember John F. Kennedy, Jr.?)

We don't have the results of the investigations yet, but it is amazing to see this discussion a) get sidetracked onto a the question of modest dressing and b) accept the assumption that the Cessna pilot was totally blameless.

Tell me, Chaptzem, will you follow up on the investigations? I mean what would folks say if the FAA charges the "yingerman" with Careless and Reckless operation of an aircraft?

If you want to fly GA in VMC, and you don't use a transponder (like Reb. Yingerman)then indeed, make sure you say tefilas haderech before the flight because you will need it.

While Hashem watches over all of us, I am sure He expects us to be reasonably careful with our safety.

Perhaps some of the "gedolim" here would dispense an opinion on putting oneself in sakana.

And as for you ASELs out there, I'm not impressed.

 

Certainly the investigation will show that the accident was caused by heimishe women not dressing tzniusdik enough.

Oh... and maybe it was Neturei Karta's fault too.

But... if one flies near minimums with inadequate equipment/training, that is stupid. No one is immune from the stupid bug.

What was the weather like?
What is anyone doing today without a transponder?

Nothing wrong with GA or small SEL ... I have many hours going in and out of some busy spots with Warriors, Lances, and even Cherokee 140's. But you need to be awake, aware and knowledgeable about procedures.

But, anyone who flies in some of today's busy corridors with no transponder... well... he needs more than tefillas hadrech.

I have a flight about 8 years ago. Supposed to be totally VFR. Checked with Flight Service a half hour before taking off from ORL, and was told I would encounter NO WEATHER AT All for my flight to FXE as long as I departed within 2 hours.

I left within 30 t0 45 min of the briefing, in a rental plane. Before I was an hour south of ORL, I was in SOLID t-storms, could not see my wing tips, and discovered I have no more than a partial panel.

But, training, Hashem, and a transponder, got me down safely in Melbourne, where I kissed the tarmac when I tied down. I was also thankful that I did not need a spare set of underwear... because I was darn frightened.

But, some of the mistakes were mine:
1) Briefing or not, I should have checked the aircraft out and not taken it with only an attitude indicator, 1 vor, , 1 com, and a transponder. I did not even have a glideslope, dme, or any of the instruments I expected in those days. But, it was the transponder that got me in with a red-tipped flashlight in my mouth. I did not break out until about 350 ft.

I never go anywhere now without a transponder, and prefer a spare. How else do you get flight following today without a transponder. It is nice to simply fly around CAVU VFR, but one needs to be ready to fly the instruments not only the plane.

Funny, my buddy, the only other shtreimel in my shul sells avionics for a parnasa, and we were just talking earlier about how many transponders he sells per week.
He is not a pilot though.
But he is a yingerman.(smile)

 

to anon 1156:
Tell your shtreimel friend who sells transponders never to squawk 7700 without standby or else its viduy time.

 

view 'flying frumers' on youtube.
Its not the 'yingerman' in question.

 

a transponder only helps the pilot if he is in receipt of radar information/advisery service.If no radar station is in the area or if an airport refuses to give such a service to a light aircraft pilot then it is pretty useless.Today all visual and instrument pilots use gps to get around.

 

to zll of you who stated, in one way or another, that you know the reason for this yungerman's accident, and that the reason is prizus and/or lack of tzniusdicke dress to your satndards, allow me to share the follwing true story.

Mr brother,z"l was nifter anoe month before his 47th birthday, on a civil holiday. He was spending the day with my neices, in a quality time acitvity, that they all enjoyed doing. Everyone at his levaya knew exactly where he was when the Aibishter took him from us. (Just to note, the next levaysa scheduled in the Chapel was for a 13 year old child). The Main Maspid got up and stated that these terrible tragedies would not occur on Civil holidays the Baitei Midrashos would be full all day with individuals who normally work, spending the day learning. So, just like all of you, this Maspid knew why my mother had to bury her bechor! But, AND READ THIS CAREFULLY< What about the Lashon Hora that was said on the Niftar? That didn't count? When did any one ever hear a Maspid say loshon hora on a niftar in his hesped?
All of you worried abouthte tzinus issue. Tznius is a frame of mind, expressed by the way one dresses, not the way one dresses. LOshon Hora is a much bigger probelm. Jus read the comments ontheis blocg everyday, or the ones at the other Yeshiva News site.

 

Luckily there are not many Lubavitch pilots. They would be squaking 7700 all the time... or would they want to squawk 0770

The old method of signalling lost comm was 7700 for 1 min, followed by 7600. Now going straight to 7600 will raise the same alarm.

Important to set the 6 first, then the 7. If you set the 7 first, then on the way to set the 6 you may accidentally sqawk 7500

7700: General Emergency
7600: Lost Communications
7500: Unlawful Interference(Hijack)

FAA recommends to NOT swith to standby first, but just be careful while dialing to avoid accidentally sqauking an emergency transponder code. Switching to standby drops you from the controllers screen and computer.

Squawking 7700 is also used when you MUST deviate from a clearance due to weather that you need to get around. FAR 91.123
This alerts the controllers to the fact that you are deviating.
Sure, first you request the deviation, but sometimes controllers are unable to approve the deviation, either because they do not have authority to allow you to go into military airspace by a few feet, or to close min. separation by a few feet. and will actually tell you, "Unable deviation--squawk 7700 and say intentions." which means they are placing the responsibility with you are PIC to declare emergency and deviate as you see fit.

 

Of course those who have newer navigation equipment use GPS to get around, but the Transponder paints us on the controller's screen.
Also, when two transponder painted targets get too close, they will no notified to turn away..... unless they are not in radio contact with anyone.
But, even if YOU have your radio off, your transponder code will paint your target on the controller's screen and the controller may be able to tell the OTHER pilot to avoid you. You may in in his blind spot.

I was once cleared for an immediate landing, and was making a steep approach to accomodate the "immediate" part of my clearance.

In the meanwhile, a student in the pattern shooting touch and goes could not see me and turned a short final right under me. He was too confused to know what was going on, but his transponder, only squawking 1200, made approach yell to me to break off my approach and go around as this student would have hit me. Neither of us could see the other one do to the angles involved.

 

Check this out
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?
id=MIA08LA005B&rpt=p

 

re transponder squawk codes:
75 taken alive
76 in a fix
77 may go to heaven (chas vesholom)
I used to have a copy of tefillas haderech attached to my pre flight check list.

 

WHERE DID THIS INCIDENT HAPPEN PLEASE>????????????????????????????

 

After reading the prelim report, it appears it was NOBODY's fault, except maybe the guy at the tower.

Thank Hashem he came out okay.

 

Anonymous of 7:05 P.M.,

"Nobody's fault?" Please don't pretend you know about what you are talking.

The "blue cover" will not state as the Probable Cause, "nobody's fault."

And for you FLIBs who think that flying in the New York TRACON area without TCAS is a great idea, again, you need to say more Tehillim. Only please, don't be a tipish like Cory Lidle and "drop in" at my house.

 

I am a married chassidishe woman who is very proud that I don't have to wear a sheitel (long or short) with a hat on top. I would not be able to survive if I were to wear seamed stockings, long sleeves till the wrist in the summer months where temperatures are in the high 90's low 100's.

I wear knee highs and noone can see that they're worn because my dresses/skirts are extremely long(ankle length). I don't dress this way because of Tzinnus but because that's the way I like too.

I would never be married to a man who would want me to be dressed like women who live in Monroe.

 

there's nothing wrong when Chasidishe married women do not wear hats on top of sheitels, seamed stocking, or long sleeved blouses that it comes all the way to the wrist. Women who wear knee highs instead of seamed stockings, or black stockings should not be seen as dressing inappropriately.

As long as it's more than just 3/4 sleeve, pass beyond knees, it's tzinnus. Of course one should not dress provocatively.

Most chassidishe women do no wear hats on top of their sheitels. They wear only a sheitel.

One would feel out of place if they dress differently than the women who live in Monroe.

 

seamed stockings are highly provocatave

 

1) The seamed stocking worn by Chassidishe women are not the provocative kind. They are basically tights with a seam in the back. Not actually tights but totally opaque 100 denier nylon.

2) Different people have different points of views on what tzniusdik dress coded is appropriate. The woman who is following how she was told by her rov & husband is not doing wrong.
I may believe that a much more conservative dress code is MY ideal, and I do, but we must respect that others are correct to follow how they are taught.

Yes, I would love to see everyone dress how it is done in Monroe.
But I agree that those whose rabbonim tell them that a long dress with knee highs is okay, and follow how they are told, and not bad. They are doing how their rabbonnim teach them.

Let's both sides respect each other's drochim.

But, that does not mean that it is right for a woman to wear short sleeves, plunging necklines, or short sox... or wear skirts and or dresses that ride up high enough to show the tops of those knee highs. I know of a few Definately FRUM women, who are not aware that the tops of their knee highs can be seen.

But, though I believe it is better to wear a hat on top of the shaitel, let us not say that the person who wears an uncovered shaitel is not dressed tzniusdik,.. Her hair IS covered.

You do not have to meet MY customs to be right. You have a right to your K'Hillah's customs.

Just the same, I wish people would not make fun of those of us who are machmir. Just as YOU are not wrong, neither are we.

Let's encourage more respect for each other's minhagim.

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Now, that being said, there are some women who are NOT dressed tzniusdik, and are walking around the streets of our communities. That is a shame, and if they are Jewish women, it is more of a shame. But we can only preach to members of our own kihillas, and not call the women shiksas or other nasty names for not doing it our way. The Shomer Shabbos woman who davens at a shul where the rebbetzin dresses in half sleeves, or wears a head covering that does not completely cover her own hair, or allows her legs to be "over exposed" and copies her rebbitzen, is not a bad person, she is doing what she is being taught.

Over all, I see MORE and MORE women being truly tzniusdik, and that makes me happy.

 

I am ANON 7:05

I re-read the report, and actually do see some fault. I appears that the pilot of the PA-32 did not perform an adequate visual check before turning downwind. He held a commercial ticket and should have known better.

The student in the Cessna made the mistake of relying on the tower to give him his traffic. Though they often do, a busy controller often does not, and one can't count on that. It is the pilot in command's job to take a "clearing look" before entering the pattern, or descending into the pattern.

Now the following statement is being made by someone who did not do the investigation, but only read the prelim report. But my thoughts are that though the Student in the Cessna was a fault for relying on the tower to give him his traffic, the pilot of the Cherokee Six (or was that a Lance) failed to take proper precautions by not personally identifying all aircraft in or entering the pattern.

Actually, I am not sure a transponder would have helped much in this case, as the controller had both aircraft, and was relying on the pilots in command to "fly their airplanes".

So, maybe the PA-32 takes a bit more blame.

But... all that above crap being said, THINGS HAPPEN! We all know that mistakes happen in and around airports. Both were being handled by the tower. Both should have used more caution, and LOOKED around better, but we pilots are human too.

Yes, the NY area is "crazy busy" and the system tends to somewhat ignore GA traffic, being so busy with the big boys. But that does put more responsibility on US little guys to be more careful. We certainly should not fly into these areas with poorly equipped aircraft. The trainer that is fine for flight training in an out-of-town airport, is not necessarily appropriate to enter this mess in.

Personally, I would not want to enter without filing. No matter how clear a day it is, in these areas, I would be happier with a regular IFR flight plan and clearance.

However, I will FIGHT for the VFR pilot's right to use the airspace. But he does need to get enough training to cope with it.

However, sharing the fault is the system that is rude to VFR pilots requesting flight following and even requests to transit though the controlled space.

I have, many times been flying VFR, and been told "Cleared to transit over the middle of the field" and not another word of instruction. What is the "middle of the field"? middle as defined by geography or by traffic pattern.... or directly over the center-field VOR? No altitude given, etc.

So, I say that a PART of the blame for these VFR pilots' lack of communication at times is the way there were treated.

I was once trying to get across MIA's pattern during a checkride. FAA man told me to fly from FXE to Homestead over MIA.

He wanted to see how I handled communication with MIA approach, and Center, etc. This was not for my Instrument, but for my Commercial.

MIA approach did not even want to talk to me. Even when I told them I had "FAA On Board", they still ignored me. The DE grabbed the mike and yelled at them "Your attitude is the cause of people not communicating with you."

He then turned to me and jokingly said, "with his attitude, maybe I should have you practice Chandelles and Lazy 8's directly over their airport. Maybe that will wake them up and make them talk to you. They are supposed to give you EVERY courtesy given to the IFR pilots.

But, I presonally now, never go anywhere anymore without transponder and a fully IFR panel.

But, no matter the equipment, it is still our jobs as PIC to visually check our traffic often and know the "picture"

 

MOST, not all, NON-Chabad Chassidishe women DO wear some form of head covering on top of their Shaitel.

Chabad tends to go out with uncovered shaitels. That is fine for Chabad, as that is what their Rebbe told them.

Most other Chassidishe Rebbes prefer no shaitel at all. Just very short hair, FULLY covered by a Teechel. But, are still okay with a shaitel, but prefer a hat on top of the shaitel.

I friend of mine's rebbetzin recently completed a course in Boro Park as a Shaitel Macher. She is Chabad. She told me at Shabbod Dinner once how shocked she would be at the beginning, when she would work so hard to make the shaitel look so nice, and then have the women "plop a hat down right on top of the shaitel" ruining her hard work... (smile)

So, Chabad prefers shaitel only with no hat, while almost all other Chassidim prefer a hat on top the shaitel.

Now, if you are one of those Chabad people who thinks that Chabad is the only real Chassidim, then to your outlook you are right, most chassidishe women do not wear a hat on top of the shaitel.

If you allow for the fact that the rest of the Chassidim are real Chassidim also, then the majority of Chassidish women put a hat on their shaitel, or wear a teechel, or shpits/teechel.

 

I do feel embarrassed when I see Moslem women dressed more tzniusdik that so many Jewish women.

 

I am a chassidishe women. I wear a long sheitel WITHOUT any kind of head coverings on my sheitel.

I have many Chassidishe friends from different Chasisish backgrounds- Bobov, Belz, Pupa,and Viznitz. They Too ALL WEAR LONG SHEITELS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF HEAD COVERINGS.

 

Anon 7:05 (regarding your other post of 12:42),

In the Shabbos davening we read the words "bay ana rachitz" ("In Him I put my trust.")

1. I trust you know that the pronoun in this phrase refers to Hashem and not Phil Boyer :)

2. Flying GA in the New York Metropolitan area is not the brightest thing in the world and I don't care how many hours or ratings you have. There is always someone else out there who's in over his head.

As for the last sentence of your post, I agree with you completely.

Gut Voche and Blue Skies!

 

Although I am a Chassidishe woman with short hair (no, NOT BALDED), all of my Chassidishe friends DO NOT have short hair. They all have their regular length hair and they cover it by wearing snoods, turbans, and long sheitels. Some even wear their teichels in a way that their front hair is completely visible. These women are NOT lubavitch but other chasidishe backgrounds.

 

I'm so sick of all you "frum" guys dispensing advice on how we should dress. Do you think you look so good yourelves with your scraggy beards all tied up, and peyos smashed behind your ears?
STOP looking and u wont get into trouble. Keep your eyes where they belong, and then u wont have to discuss seams and shaved heads.

 

My very first flight instructor, way back so long ago, that we were first then getting rid of our 64-code transponders, and I was flying a nearly new Cherokee 140-D ... yes that long ago, used to take me along on all of his charters. He hated to have paying customers in the right seat, so he always put a student of his (I was his only student that year, because did not like to instruct) in the right seat. So, I have more un-loggable Aztec (and a bit of twin Commanche), right-seat hours than I had total loggable time.

He showed me that he would take that Aztec into ANY of the big boy airports, using the main active runways when necessary, and not get in the way of the big boys.

All the controllers seemed to know Aztec 6592Y and my instructor John, and treated him like he owned the airports.

1) He had a constant image of every other aircraft who was in contact with Center, Approach or whomever. He taught me to monitor 2 frequencies, and to keep that mental pix of where everyone was.

2) But, he taught me that you don't fly a GA traffic pattern going into a major airport. We used to come down the glide slope at ridiculous airspeeds, and made the transition to approach speed over the numbers.

We never slowed down to flair, but would always DRIVE onto the runway, with finesse of course, and reduce speed as we approached and made the first turn off.

He had a few other techniques, that the boys in the tower loved, that were not "by the book" ... but worked, and kept us safe while keeping him welcomed everywhere.

He used to always tell me, "The customer is paying us to take him where he wants to go, and when he wants to go there. ... it is our job to make that happen."

No Boyer is not anything more than a noisy person making money off of all GA pilots, but we do need the GA voice. To lose GA's rights to airspace, would be wrong.

By the way, John taught me to not only keep a mental picture of all the other traffic, but a mental picture of what their aircraft was doing to the air we had to fly in, and where it was drifting.

Yes, we need to "RESPECT" the big boys, but we still need to have rights to all fields and airspace.

Maybe a new rating: "High Traffic Airspace" Rating ????

 

Why are you looking at women in the first place? Thats what I would like to know.

 

WOW, I didnt there were so many Frum Pilots out there.

I love Aviation and Flying.

Is there a blog for frum pilots?

 

WITH NO DISRESPECT - I ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STRIEMLACH CHASSIDIC JEWS AND THE MISNAGDIM OTHER THEN THE CLOTHES.
IS THE ONLY CLAIM TO THE CHASSIDIC WAY - THE "POLISHE CHASSIDIC DRESS"?

IS THERE ANY LEARNING OF CHASSIDUS IN THESE COMMUNITIES?