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Wacko just plain WACKO!

 

While I have alot of respect for those who believe in it and go there every year with good intentions - this guy totally stepped over the line.

He's demonstrated a lack of respect to his wife, his family and the holy mitzva of Bris.

 

i desperately hope that this is a joke, even though i know it is not.
the fact that this is even a question, let alone a serious one, is an utter disgrace. this guy must be some choshuva 'yingerman' to be considering choosing this silly shtus of 'uman' (many many rabbonim have said as much) which has become the latest and greatest mishegas over the last 10-20 years or so, over one of the first mitzvos in the torah (bris millah).
this guy needs a lot more than rebbe nachman to save his soul.

 

Someone should cut off his yatzmuch.

 

This kids bris will be "shtark"...

His father is a real "prick"... (Sorry for being gross)... Ah emeser putz.

 

Please explain what "uman" is. For a second I thought you meant the Arab country of Oman.

 

Rav Elchonon Wasserman ZT"L was learning b'chavruso with Rav Kahaneman (The Ponivizer Rov)ZT"L when R' Elchonon received a telegram that his wife gave birth to a boy. He continued learning. The day before the Bris he asked the Chofetz Chain ZY"A whether he should go home for the bris. The C"C asked him if he had made up with his wife, before he left, what name to give. He said he did. So the C"C told him to stay and continue learning, as it would be Bitul Torah to go home.
In a lesser degree the same concept applies here.
Obviously, this yungerman is on a higher madreiga than those bloggers that couldn't understand him. Kol Hakovod to him and his wife AND Mazal Tov

 

This case is true. I know somebody that last year did the same thing. He also made a shliach and was proud of it also????? crazy.

 

As a matter of interest - does anyone know if this fellow got Daas Torah that allowed him to do so - or did he rely on the story of the Chofetz Chaim and Reb Elchonon Wasserman?

If so, which Godol did he ask and is this able to be confirmed?

 

I THINK THE GUY IS REALY NUTS. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE WIFE WHO HAS NO SAY.
I KNOW ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO GO TO UMAN DO SO FOR THE FUN OF IT.
ISN'T IT FUN TO VISIT A FORIEGN COUNTRY WITH A VIRIETY OF PEOPLE WHO COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
MY SON WAS THERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND HE SAID IT WAS A REAL EXPERIENCE.
HE MET MANY ACTORS, MUSICIANS, PAINTERS, HIPPIES, CHASSIDIM, LUTVAKS.
I AM A WOMAN AND AM NOT ALLOWED TO GO THERE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AND EXPERIENCE THIS EXTRAORDINAY GATHERING OF PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
ISN'T THIS MORE FUN THA DAVENING IN YOUR LITTLE SHTIEBEL FOR MANY HOURS, AND STAYING HOME WITH YOUR WIFE AND CRYINJG BABIES.
THIS IS A BUNCH OF CRAP. MEN DO WHAT THEY WANT. WITHOUT HAVING ANY RESPONSIBILITIES.

 

Kol hakoved Rav nachmann should bless his his family with all the blessings I remember a few years ago i was there there was over 10 shalom zachors

 

It would be nice if people would go to kivery avos to daven. I think being next to avraham, yiztchok & yakov would probably be more meaningful then going to Uman. Besides they would be supporting a jew in Hevron not some anti-semite in the Ukraine. It's a no-brainer.

 

be happy he made a sliech just for the bris ...

 

the r. elcnonan Wasserman story is a crock. It just goes to show you that if someone puts something in print, anyone will buy it.

 

this is ridicules. This Uman thing has gotten way out of hand. I am sure if R' Nachman were alive he would give this guy a piece of his mind for not being with his wife let alone not make his own kids bris. The mitzvah is for a father to make a bris on his own child but in our days we have a Mohel as a shaliach since we are not familiar with the procedures. but to have someone else make the bris for his son is outrages.

 

My father also didn't have his father at his bris. It was also in the Poland in 1942 when the Germans were in control and my Grandfather was taken away before my father was born. My grandmother organised the bris and gave the name...


Makes you think about how the frum world has shifted it's focus so drastically in the last 60 years

It's the one thing that my father is still upset about... I hope this kid grows up understanding that davenning in Uman was more important than him

 

SICK!!!!!!

 

ask your "LOR"

 

while i dont agree with the man, i am not going to judge him like all of you. i think that the whole uman thing is weird/cool/spiritual/bummy. it all depends on what type of person you are and your reasons for going there.

i am going to be "dan lkaf zchus". it could be that this man has a very spiritually uplifting time when he goes, and it lasts him the entire year. his wife might also be a very spiritual person that wouldnt dare tell him to stay home. she wants him to go because she knows how much it helps him and gives him chizuk throughtout the year, and that in turn gives her a lot of chizuk.

i will break it down onto a smaller scale for you to understand. every morning my 2 year old daughter cries and drives my wife crazy, i want to go to minyan, but i also want to help her. she insists that i go to minyan. because she knows that i have a better day at work if i make it to minyan, and that gives her more chizuk.

 

unfortunaly in today's world that close family members don't participate in family simchas because of machlokes and disputes.

 

Why couldn't he have made a shliach to go for him to Uman???????

 

As we all know designating a shaliach for a bris is Permissible and Ok however seemingly making a shaliach to go to Uman in your stead is not! Go figure! Just goes to prove that you may make a shaliach for a mitzvah but not for an ………

 

I don't know if he is correct or not, but one thing is for sure, we have no right to judge him.

Maybe this person has major problems in his life, and his wife encouraged to go anyway and daven by R Nachman. If you don't know the whole story, then don't comment.

The fact that commentators here are taking free aim at this individual Erev Rosh Hashana is a bigger disgrace than this father missing the Bris.

 

While I think this guys is nuts, I imagine he is not a mohel. He would be anyways be making the mohel a shliach to make the bris. Don't we all?

 

Couldn't he make a Shaliach to be by Reb Nachman?! Isn't it mentioned that having a Briss done is as if Makriv a Korbon? Briss is a Mitzva, "Boi yoiser mibeshlichoi" Is that spiritual elevation less than beeing by Reb Nachman? Let's say that a Nessia to R.N. is as important as Limud hatora, Limud is still "Y efshar al ydei acher". More than that, was the question to leave Uman and be by the briss? He made a "Kum Va'assei for a point that even to his view is as important.
May he be blessed with Da'as end more than that Emes. Why is a person called a fool? Is the reason that he fooled himself? Nebach his fammily. The real sacrifise was theirs.

 

What this guy is doing is 100% correct. The halacha is that he may make a shaliach to do the bris and therefore he does not lose anything by going to Uman. On the other hand, when it comes to leaving his wife and kids home alone so that he can go to Uman, the halacha is that ein shaliach l'dvar aveira so it is clear that going to Uman is something he must do personally.

 

This religion now has no resemblance whatsoever to the one we received at Har Sinai. This yingerman would rather participate in a questionable 'new-age' hanhagah (cant call it a minhag, because it isnt even that) in place of participating in a Mitzvah DeOraisa of Bris which is one of the cornerstones of Yiddishkiet.

Does anyone who sits and learns really believe that there is a bigger zechus to go flying off to Uman than to be there at his son's Bris? Is Eliyahu Hanavi less important than Rav Nachman? Is a mitzvah like bris less important?

I hope this story is untrue because if it is true the religion we have known for thousands of years is at its end.

 

IF YOU THINK LEAVING YOUR SONS BRIS FOR UMAN IS CRAZY? THIS STORY IS CRAZIER.
A NEWLY MARRIED BRESLEVER YINGERMAN WANTED TO GO TO UMAN FOR ROSH HASHANA AND THE WIFE DID NOT LET HIM GO.
EREV YOM TOV THE YINGERMAN NEVER CAME HOME FROM SHUL. THE WIFE WAS LOOKING ALL OVER FOR HIM BUT HE WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. AN ALARM WENT OFF, EVERBODY WAS SEARCHING FOR HIM. AFTER MANY HOURS THE WIFE FOUND A LETTER FROM HER HUSBAND STATING THAT HE WENT TO UMAN AND WILL BE BACK AFTER YOM TOV.
THIS STORY HAPPENED MANY YEARS AGO AND THE COUPLE HAD ALOT OF MARRIAGE PROBLEMS.
BRESLEV CHASSIDIM ARE KNOWN TO BE EXTREMISTS. THEIR DEAD REBBE MEANS EVERYTHING TO THEM. MORE THAN THE WIFE, CHILDREN, OR EVEN PARENTS.

 

While I disagree with this yingerman's choice...

..And I am not a Breslover.

It is EXTREMELY disrespectful to refer to ANY Rebbe/Godol of any yiddishe group as "dead."

As a frum yid you know very well there is much more to existence than the levush with which we interact with the physical world. It happens to be by a tzaddik that he is able to found in all the worlds, particularly the lower physical worlds, even more so after all the limitations have left him. Chassidus quotes the Zohar that describes this phenomenon very very frequently.

 

when this child grows up hes going to feel very loved by his father that he didn't even feel him important to be at his bris.