Friday, December 12, 2008
Hasidic girl molested by 59-year-old
A 59-year-old man lured a 13-year-old girl to his Brooklyn home where he exposed himself to her and rubbed her breast, the Brooklyn District Attorney's office said.
Arye Ickovits, a Hasidic Jew, of Boro Park, told the girl on Nov. 24 he needed help, a spokesman said. Ickovits uses a walker.
The girl told her mother about her ordeal. But relatives waited four days before reporting the attack to cops, seeking rabbinical approval from neighborhood religious leaders about speaking to investigators, the spokesman said.
Members of the NYPD Brooklyn Child Abuse Squad were then shown a picture of Ickovits snapped by the girl's mother on a cell phone.
Ickovits was arrested on Dec. 3 and later released on $5,000 bail.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2008/12/12/2008-12-12_hasidic_girl_molested_by_59yearold.html
Arye Ickovits, a Hasidic Jew, of Boro Park, told the girl on Nov. 24 he needed help, a spokesman said. Ickovits uses a walker.
The girl told her mother about her ordeal. But relatives waited four days before reporting the attack to cops, seeking rabbinical approval from neighborhood religious leaders about speaking to investigators, the spokesman said.
Members of the NYPD Brooklyn Child Abuse Squad were then shown a picture of Ickovits snapped by the girl's mother on a cell phone.
Ickovits was arrested on Dec. 3 and later released on $5,000 bail.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2008/12/12/2008-12-12_hasidic_girl_molested_by_59yearold.html
Comments:
4 days for Rabbinical Approval?
So, If the Rabbi Said "No" they wouldnt have done anthing? this is the same thinking when theres a emergency like a heart attack on shabbas they ask the rabbi first before calling hatzolah! Lets know which Rabbi said Yes & which said NO. Plus $5000 bail-thats also a joke-
So, If the Rabbi Said "No" they wouldnt have done anthing? this is the same thinking when theres a emergency like a heart attack on shabbas they ask the rabbi first before calling hatzolah! Lets know which Rabbi said Yes & which said NO. Plus $5000 bail-thats also a joke-
What on earth are they seeking Rabbinic approval for? 4 days as well? What they had to find out if the man had yichus or daughters in the parshah- sounds ridiculous to me.
its discusting that some rabbis try to hide this problem they should have this guy thrown out of boropark show his picture to eveybody and tell them this is the one of 200 more and track down one by one and get them out of boro park so our kids can walk around like normal people without any worries you guys are blaming on the parents all they did is send their child to school and the orgenazations that are soposed to protect our kids and rabbis are to guide us are putting us in the ground and starting with kids we need to stand in front of his persons house and get him to move to belvue mental instutution so that he cant hurt your child or grandchild or wife or anybodyelse
the rabbis should focus on this rather focus on lipa or problems that they will los money on the reason the dont want to focus on this is because there is no moneyto be made therabbi that gave a ok to go to the police i apploud you good job and the rabbis that didnt let them go to attharity i think it has to hit home in order for you to understand i belive if it would happen to your own child you would go to the atheity and if not then you no good for nothing because your big beard and chassidm are more important then anything else like the welfare of your child i think the only way this will stop is if we will tackle 1 by 1 and get them out of here dont cover it up its not fare for our kids
the rabbis should focus on this rather focus on lipa or problems that they will los money on the reason the dont want to focus on this is because there is no moneyto be made therabbi that gave a ok to go to the police i apploud you good job and the rabbis that didnt let them go to attharity i think it has to hit home in order for you to understand i belive if it would happen to your own child you would go to the atheity and if not then you no good for nothing because your big beard and chassidm are more important then anything else like the welfare of your child i think the only way this will stop is if we will tackle 1 by 1 and get them out of here dont cover it up its not fare for our kids
For the moment, let's applaud the rabbis for doing the right thing - instead of using this scenario as an opportunity to once again complain on how useless they are.
Instead let us look at the real issue at hand: a thirteen year old went into the home of a stranger. If anything 'stranger danger' needs to be repeatedly taught to our kids, because regardless of how little or how much the rabbis decide to get involved - we as parents have the responsibility to teach our children to protect themselves.
Instead let us look at the real issue at hand: a thirteen year old went into the home of a stranger. If anything 'stranger danger' needs to be repeatedly taught to our kids, because regardless of how little or how much the rabbis decide to get involved - we as parents have the responsibility to teach our children to protect themselves.
To 4:02
The way the story reads, it sounds like it took the Rabbis 4 days to decide that it's ok to tell the police.
Anyway, the really sad part about all this is that you know, and I know, that the girl and her mothers chose---unwisely.
He will be ACD'd (all charges dsmissed) with 6 months probation, while she can forget about ever, ever, having any kind of significant shidduch.
Yes, you and I know it wasn't her fault, but you know the Boro Park mentality.
The way the story reads, it sounds like it took the Rabbis 4 days to decide that it's ok to tell the police.
Anyway, the really sad part about all this is that you know, and I know, that the girl and her mothers chose---unwisely.
He will be ACD'd (all charges dsmissed) with 6 months probation, while she can forget about ever, ever, having any kind of significant shidduch.
Yes, you and I know it wasn't her fault, but you know the Boro Park mentality.
I believe the reason they saught Rabbinical council was not to protect the Molestor, but the victim.
People in every close knit community are not so haste to reprort crime, they are afaraid for their children to be shamed for the choices they made or others may not marry her because she might need help. Dont judge the Rabbi's so fast the ones I know are very nice and smart people.
People in every close knit community are not so haste to reprort crime, they are afaraid for their children to be shamed for the choices they made or others may not marry her because she might need help. Dont judge the Rabbi's so fast the ones I know are very nice and smart people.
". . .others may not marry her because she might need help."
People who think this way are the ones who really need help.
People who think this way are the ones who really need help.
he wont get off so easy there is a case being built its not the first time and he asked for help we teach our kids to help the elders
To:nonymous : December 13, 2008 7:38 PM
How dare you speak like that
hashem has chosen her chosen 40 days before she was born and she will marry a fine boy.
stop with your nonscence.
How dare you speak like that
hashem has chosen her chosen 40 days before she was born and she will marry a fine boy.
stop with your nonscence.
You are right it's total nonsense, or maybe not.
Would you marry her to your son if she was raped??? She wasn't, but there needs to be consideration before you run to the police so to protect her privacy.
Would you marry her to your son if she was raped??? She wasn't, but there needs to be consideration before you run to the police so to protect her privacy.
OK listen up people i know this man for years.
He worked for a bakery delivering stuff, if there were leftovers and he laways sure there was (he pays for the goods) he would give the needy in his neighborhood, this went on for years.
He paid for the small shul's shalosh seuda for nearly 20 years.
There are dozens of people who owe him.
Currently he suffers from a disabling diabetic condition, he barely feels his body especially from the waist down. He can no longer drive, resulting in he lack of income. His wife is a quiet lady rarely complaining about her lot.
He starting collecting in shuls early morning to avoid the shame, that too stopped as he no longer sees well.
He sit in front of his home asking people for donations. As a formerly very active man his fustration builds often the brunt of which is absorbed by his wife.
He often askes passerby to help him indoors. This means that he may lean on them, shoulders and arms, he tries not to, as he is a very proud man.
His fingers can no longer open buttons, clasps or zippers, this leaves him with a predicament when and if he needs the bathroom.
True he should only ask adult males to assist him, but think for yourself a moment.
A feelings reduced, disabled man needs to go, what do you do?
You ask the first able human to pass, to help.
Appropriate?
Heck no!
Understandable?
Only if you want to.
He worked for a bakery delivering stuff, if there were leftovers and he laways sure there was (he pays for the goods) he would give the needy in his neighborhood, this went on for years.
He paid for the small shul's shalosh seuda for nearly 20 years.
There are dozens of people who owe him.
Currently he suffers from a disabling diabetic condition, he barely feels his body especially from the waist down. He can no longer drive, resulting in he lack of income. His wife is a quiet lady rarely complaining about her lot.
He starting collecting in shuls early morning to avoid the shame, that too stopped as he no longer sees well.
He sit in front of his home asking people for donations. As a formerly very active man his fustration builds often the brunt of which is absorbed by his wife.
He often askes passerby to help him indoors. This means that he may lean on them, shoulders and arms, he tries not to, as he is a very proud man.
His fingers can no longer open buttons, clasps or zippers, this leaves him with a predicament when and if he needs the bathroom.
True he should only ask adult males to assist him, but think for yourself a moment.
A feelings reduced, disabled man needs to go, what do you do?
You ask the first able human to pass, to help.
Appropriate?
Heck no!
Understandable?
Only if you want to.
Hashem Yerachem, what is wrong with us? We have become a laughing stock with almost daily articles in the newspapaer about some new child predator. We need to act immdiately to protect our children.
If you believe or know of a child that is at risk call CPS. If you believe or know of a child that has been sexually abused, CALL THE POLICE IMMEDIATELY!!!
in my view, Rabbinic consultation should occur after the authorities have been contacted.
Dovid Toplin
Baltimore, MD
If you believe or know of a child that is at risk call CPS. If you believe or know of a child that has been sexually abused, CALL THE POLICE IMMEDIATELY!!!
in my view, Rabbinic consultation should occur after the authorities have been contacted.
Dovid Toplin
Baltimore, MD
Dec 15, 11:43, your defense of this man is totally incorrect. Regardless of what tzedaka he gave, or chessed he has done, regardless of his physical situation, HE IS A MOLESTOR AND HE NEEDS HELP, and to be kept away from kids. He offered my friend's daughters money, and when they questioned "FOR WHAT" he answered, "Y'know, for sex". He has pulled in many, many GIRLS (not the first person he sees who can help him, but specifically GIRLS). The neighbors ALL know about this, and "felt so sorry for the wife, they didn't want to embarass her, so they didn't tell her what's going on while she was at work" So now we have innocent victims and an embarassed wife!! The neighbors share the blame for this terrible story!!
If you want to cut off balls with a spoon, use ALOT of force! Also, I suggest that no anesthesia should be used.
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