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What will be when we have a woman president and shes on a $5 bill-will there be a ban on $5 bills? No Jewish stores will accept it? This is the wife of the president of the United States-where is the respect? If she was the president herself would we photoshop her out? What complete nonsense!! and we call the arabs religious fanatics?

 

We have to give them credit for responding to us

 

Will they accept letters if the stamp has a picture of a woman on it?

And what did they do back in the days when dimes, quarters and half-dollars all had images of Miss Liberty?

 

this is beyond ridiculous. if a woman is wearing something revealing and or inappropriate then i can understand but not only is she dressed modestly she is the first lady! i mean cmon people...thats absurd that they would crop her out.

 

Ha ha ha ha, they photo-chopped the president's wife! Hey, I think I just coined a new word - now that's funny! LOL

 

"Readers who want to avoid looking at pictures of women under all circumstances?"

So what do they do in their day-to-day life? If a mere photo of Laura Bush gives them an impermissible sexual thrill, what about live women, who walk and talk, and, G-d forbid, have actual functioning reproductory organs under their multiple layers of clothes? And, actually, have skin underneath those clothes?

Oh, the shame of it all.

Look for hasidic women to cover their heads like muslims in a few decades.

 

This is like the certain Rabbi in my neighborhood who declared that all those who go to hotels for Pesach are eating Chazer Treif.

 

Mishpacha left her reflection there on the table. Im not SO impressed!

 

The magazine people need to
get over it.... this is not
the 16th century Poland.
The wife of the president
honors Chanukah a what is
the results.
She is removed from the
photo.
This is the type of behavior
which creates anti Jewish
feelings.

 

It is a shame on Mishpacha magazine for possibly insulting the Presidents wife , (total lack of respect).
If they knew its a problem , dont print the picture to begin with.

What they must think of us? are we such total fanatics? Do we not show our students who Mr. & Mrs Bush is in school?

 

I think they are 100% wrong for publishing the picture at all! just write about it, a quality magazine like mishpacha should have known that it is unethicle to photoshop. its just stupid, its like screaming look i am so frum, (on the light side i think chaptzem should photoshop the chasidim and leave only the honorable mrs. bush... hoping mrs. bush will forgive us... hee hee hee hee...)
The Golem

 

The problem is the dishonesty involved in photoshopping pictures. If they don't want to print pictures of women, that's their right, however silly it might be. But don't print dishonest pictures.

 

They had a VERY good reason for taking Mrs. Bush out of the photo.

If they had published the picture they would have been committing loshon horah. We all know it is ossur for a man to stand between two women, or for a woman to stand between two men.

These well-meaning rabbonim in the picture, were probably so nervous they did not realize they had just posed for a photo with a woman between them.

Publishing this photo is embarrassing to them, and is loshon hora.

So, Thank you, Mishpacha Magazine, for a good decision.

Of course, you could have just not printed any picture. That would have worked too.

 

i have 2 questions: what will be the solution if lets say a woman becomes president in the future and be publish in newspapers? the hamodia and yated cant show pictures of women,especially a president one.
if you cant see pictures of women, then whats the difference if you saw one in a history,science,math,etc. book in yeshivas?

 

What retard thinks it's asur to look at a picture of a modestly dressed woman?

So, when you're kids are in school, they don't learn about Hilary Clinton, Sarah Palin, Eleanor Roosevelt, Helen Keller and Susan B. Anthony?

What shtus!

 

Here is a special psak halacha applicable only to the editors of Mishpacha:

While driving on the Gowanus, you are mechuyev to shut your eyes while in the vicinity of the Statue of Liberty since the sculpture depicts the face of a woman (the artist's mother).

One who places chumras on the tzibur should certainly set an example.

 

"
These well-meaning rabbonim in the picture, were probably so nervous they did not realize they had just posed for a photo with a woman between them.

Publishing this photo is embarrassing to them, and is loshon hora."

Are you being sarcastic, or are you actually a moron?

 

We are getting sicker by the day.

 

4:38, are you sitting on your head?? If the First Lady poses, you pose! You think it's proper to fuss about trying to keep a Chumrah and embarras the First Lady?? Where is your Hakaras Hatov that the First Lady and her husband, the most powerful man on earth (aside from the pope) allowed the WHITE HOUSE KITCHEN to be Kashered in deference to the Orthodox Jews who would be partaking of a Chanukah Meal?? You need your head examined.

 

One more reason why I choose to read magazines other than Mishpachah.

One other thing: All of you that are so high and mightly and holy and are so excited that Mishpachah is "responding to us"... two things, one: don't speak for all of us, some of us are not hypocritical. Which brings me to point number two: You're so worried about tznius in magazines, but you spend time on the INTERNET? Tsk Tsk... What I wouldn't do to get a glance at your computer cookies and see where you have been hanging out when you think no one is looking...

 

If any of our British freinds want to give away any of their pounds with the picture of QE2 on it I will be happy to accept it.

 

i think i disagree with almost everyone that commented on this. i myself am a more modern orthodox person, and i have no problem looking at a fully tznus woman. but what about the very frum that want to take on extra chumras? many of todays gedolei hador, and the ones of the previous generations, would not look at women. they would walk in the street, with their head faced down.

this is not because they are trying to be more frum than everyone else, they know that there is no halacha that says this. the reason they do that, is because they work on themselves constantly to be on the highlest level of kedusha and spirituality. and when they see a woman, the are spiritually deflated. and it takes a while for them to reach that level of spirituality that they were at.

this has nothing to do with halacha, and everyone knows that. the mishpacha simply doesnt want to give any reason for someone to not read their magazine

 

In the '80's, after the death of the Lubavitcher Rebbe's zal Rebbetzin, aleya hashalom, there were a lot of Lubavitch magazines both in Yiddish and in English that published her photo. Would you consider this in bad taste?

Also, I used to subscribe to a Lubavitch (OK) publication "The Jewish Homemaker" in the 1990's and they regularly had pictures of the women they interviewed. No one ever thought twice about it in those days. Recently I read an article in Mishpacha that was a reprint WORD FOR WORD of a same article that was in the Jewish Homemaker circa 1999-2000 except in the Mishpacha reprint, they left out the lady's picture. (They also neglected to credit The Jewish Homemaker for previously publishing the article, but that's just a question of bad taste.)

Ultimately, I can live with this, but what really offends me is in the Mishpacha Junior magazine, when they do a spotlight on Jewish kids around the world, and if the kid is a female, they don't put HER picture in, but her Zaidy, brothers, neighbors, and Shochet.
What's wrong with a picture of a 10 year old kid?

 

Seeing a woman makes a person "spiritually deflated?"

Now I know which newspaper some people use instead of sheets with a hole.

 

I see. And the Skver Rebbe photographed with Hillary Clinton is muttar. Azoi crum lomdus?

 

It is the magazine who did the photo shopping not the Rabbis. I know one of those Rabbis, personally, who showed me the picture and actually found it very comical.

 

Anonymous 2:55 PM, I do not believe that the "inflation" of spirituality, as you claim, of the "deflation" thereof, is the problem...

 

Chosid Shoteh!

 

anon 7:01

what the hell does that mean?????

 

maybe they should have posed her - not between two men, and since the Mishpacha is mainly for women, it shouldn't matter that the unedited picture was published. Men who are so frum that they don't look at women's pictures,shouldn't be reading the Mishpacha in the first place.

 

I have no problem with the photo of the first lady. But, no matter who she is, it is still not permitted to be between two men.

I am sure these good rabbis were nervous and did not realize until later that they should not have posed this way.

But Mishpacha was right to take her out of the picture. ... or... there were alternatives:

They could have deleted the man on one end, or teh two men on the other side.

Or, better yet, just published the article without the photo.

But, though I am MO, it is a clear halacha about a woman between 2 men. It is not a silly chumra that can be tossed aside.

There were right not to publish the photo un-retouched. But I agree the Photo Shopped photo was tacky.

 

"And what did they do back in the days when dimes, quarters and half-dollars all had images of Miss Liberty?"

That is why no self respecting chareidi schnorrer would accept anything less than a dollar.

 

One commenter wrote:
"We all know it is ossur for a man to stand between two women, or for a woman to stand between two men."

And another wrote:
"But, though I am MO, it is a clear halacha about a woman between 2 men. It is not a silly chumra that can be tossed aside."

And I ask: Really? Vi shtayt? You will not find this anywhere. It doesn't exist. If you want to say it's not tzniusdik, that you prefer not to be in such situations, kol hakovod; the more kedusha the better. But if you think it's a din, bist stam an amhoretz.


"In the '80's, after the death of the Lubavitcher Rebbe's zal Rebbetzin, aleya hashalom, there were a lot of Lubavitch magazines both in Yiddish and in English that published her photo. Would you consider this in bad taste?"

Lubavitch has different standards in this regard. In Lubavitch it's accepted to look at women's pictures. But some people have higher standards, and Mishpacha tries to cater to them too. Why should you be upset? Is not more kedusha better? Notice, though, how few pictures exist of the Lubavitcher Rebbetzin, and how there are no posed pictures from after her husband became rebbe. All the pictures from after 1950 were taken from afar, through windows, etc., and are unclear.

 

why is it more kedusha when you refuse to look at a lady...refuse to interact with other people in olam hazeh? women are here for a reason: to interact with men in a proper way, and it is high time you learn that! imagine the chillul hashem when working with non-jewish coworkers (or jews with intelligence) that you can't look at them because it would be holy.

 

Does that mean that I am less frum for looking at pictures of women? When will this be inscribed into the chumra brura?

 

I am SOOO glad I am not frum anymore. You people are sicker than when I left.