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I personally caught non jewish workers cutting thier non kosher sandwich in a fruit store. It was the same knive that was always used for the melons. The non jewish staff had thier own knives for thier non kosher foods, however the mistake was made atleast once when i caught them. For this reason i can not understand how people buy sliced melons from non jewish or non frum owners. There is nobody looking over the staff's sholders. Cutting sandwiches or Toiviling the utencils or even in a Schmita year with buying produce from isreael.These are major issues and people look away for thier conveniance

 

ya i see alot of yentas eat fruits etc . with no Havve-amina of paying for them. Don't worry so much about the treif issues, Hakodosh Boruch-Hu may forgive you after you do Teshuva. Ganeiva thats something else you have to ask mechilla from the merchant.

 

My wife was shopping in a Boro Park supermarket, one of the items on her shopping list was packaged salad mix but there was none on the shelves after asking one of the workers if they had any, he informed her that they did have, but they were not putting them out yet, being that they were waiting for the stickers with the supervision to arrive in order for them to put them on the packages before they put them out, My wife told them that she will take it without the sticker (knowing that the dole salad mix comes already with a star k on the packaging itself) but they throw on the sticker to be able to charge some more & let the comsumer see a rabbis name in hebrew whether it means anything or not!

 

Hey anon at 2:50- You're spelling is atrocious. Get yourself an education

 

how many times have you heard about gebaken nuch pesach stickers
going on the products before yomtov
is over

 

do u wanna tell me that pizza shops have fresh flour from after pesach the second yom tov is over??? so y is everybody buying the pizza??

 

Last Pesach, a popular grocery store had Dole lettuce bags including a small chametzdike croutons and treife blue cheese dressing, along with R' Gornish's sticker on the bag. It's all a scam.

 

if you want to really keep kosher - don't buy any ready made products, buy whole watermelons, bake your own bread and cakes, buy meat from a private shechita where you know the shochet personally, etc. It can be done, maybe it's not so convenient, but, it's more kosher.

 

please leave all the oshan hora outside
we need to love a fellow jew and if some jews make a living in hechsher business nu let him

as the story goes . a jew walks into a store and sees a product with 2 hechsheirim and next to it a similar product with only one hechsher and the one with two is 25 cents more expensive. he nuy the more expensive one. a person watching asks him why did you spend the extra money it is the same product. he says nu so let another ruv(here there are 2 verisions)
1) for 25 cents let another ruv suffer in gehenoim
2)so another ruv can also make a living

i like the second version better

 

To the am ha'aretz who posted at 11:50....about 'pizza, baked right after pesach'...Maybe you you werent paying attention in cheder...but there is no issur in using four and chometz that was sold to a goy. Besides for Yoshon purposes..it might even be recommended. Time for you to hit the books again...and crack open your dusty Shulchan Aruch.

 

~10 years ago, used to work in a pizzeria (13th ave... 55th or around street).

Not kosher, or even sanitary is most cases. Once a "kosher inspector" came into the kitchen with the owner... owner gave him $$$ in full view of us (recent immigrants from Russia), to make him go away.

 

I walked into a candy store and they were selling Mike's & Ikes candyies they had 2 boxes of each candy.They were exactly the same exact thing. except one box had a Blooms Kosher sticker & one without. the one with the sticker cost 35 cents more.

 

To anonomous who is worried about an am hoaretzand telling him to open up a dusty Shuchan aruch.

You commented that besides fro yoshon puprposes it might be recommeded.

Please be advised that immediately after Pesach ther are NO yoshon problems.

 

The story of the crotons happened in Glatt Mart but it was with Dole with J&R the rasha's hechsher not R' Gornish.

 

To the fellow who commented on my comment about Yoshon . Reread what I wrote...and you said the exact same thing as myself. For Yoshon purposes..it might even be recommended..meaning there is absolutely nothing wrong with flour right after Pesach. So now I am dealing with a dusty shulchan Aruch user..and someone with dusty glasses.

 

How anyone buys lettuce from the fresh express company that Brown the rasha puts a sticker from the Yokow rav the rasha I can't believe. He charges extra for those packages because there are extra bugs in them. I saw them by R' Roth's house take out the bugs from the bags. Brown the rasha said the people in Boro Park eat anything if I would put a magen dovid on the packages they would buy it. Rabosei I am starting to think he might be right. Stop buying and eating his bugs. Every bug is five lavim. Stop Stop. All the stores like moshia's that carry his bugs are being masya ldvar averiah. I don't care how much tzedaka Binik gives it isn't mechaper on his blatant disregard for what over 30 rabbanim said regarding fresh express. Please rabosai open yoyr eyes.

 

TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT HECHSHERIM....WHO EVER EATS CUT UP FRUITS OR VEGETABLE FROM A NOT KOSHER PLACE? THE SAME GOES TO COFFEE AT ALL SHOPS THAT SELL TREIF MEAT SANDWICHES. I HAVE SEEN GLASS COFFEE POTS TOGETHER WITH UTENSILS WHICH WAS USED TO CUT MEAT SANDWICHES IN THE SINK.....ANOTHER PROBLEM - MANY GOISHE GAS STATIONS THAT SELL COFFEE WITH KOSHER MILK - WHEN THEY ARE OUT OF MILK THEY JUST REFILL THE KOSHER BOTTLES WITH NON KOSHER MILK.... YOU CAN REALLY TRUST NOBODY BUT YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT.

 

what is non-kosher milk exactly?

 

It is really commendable to see how all of you are so worried about bugs and kashrus and being "over" on 5 la'avim each time you eat one bug.

However, I'm pretty sure that each word of loshon hora is 17 la'avim and I have no idea what the count is for motzi shem ra.

So just do the math.

 

There is no averia for talking about these reshaim they are being machshol eveybody. Maybe you have a problem with all the rabbonim who signed a letter against fresh express also. Stop with your false frumkeit.There is no lashon harah on someone who is making people do averious. Stop with your math and learn some chafetz chaim instead it would do you some good.

 

This is great we are getting in to a real yeshivishe discussion here! it's about time! now what is the problem with a glass coffe pot in a sink full of utensils a glass dosn't absorb like pot except in regard to chametz wehere we tend to be "machmur" just like you can eat on a glass table dairy and meat with out a table cloth/mat.

 

Very intresting, Years ago we ate lettuce brocoli and spinach no problem. Then some person figured out how to make some money and opened Bodek. As soon as people realized his success there were many copycats. All of a sudden all of them are treif, fill of bugs! It is treif to charge $3.99 for a quater head of lettuce. As far as Hashgochas go all are only intrested in money they have no morals whatsoever. The motto of one frum candy company is" Bring us your treifa candies and (with a sticker) we will make it Kosher

 

well well well


not we are really having a nice discussion

so lets take on the subject of putting on stickers on mikes and ikes


do you think that they basically called mike and ikes and told them ship me a load and they went ahead a stickered them ?

i for one dont believe it - so the ? becomes why are they charging more - well if they take a rabbi down to the plant and make sure that no trief got in to the production and that the machines were koshered dont you think that they are entitled to charge more - what is .35 for candies when you know that it is kosher and the other package without the sticker is "maybe" kosher

as for letters and packaged produce -there are sheilos on all and those who can avoid using should - having said that - i still would buy BODEK before i buy any other company - because a YID is bechazkis kashries and a goy doesnt care for "your" problems - while the yid knows its "his"problem

 

To well well well:
re: while the yid knows its "his" problem-
HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN that the often uneducated Yid is so overburdened by "his problem" of supporting his large family, married Kollel kids and providing his family with the better things in life so that they can do good Shidduchim, and still have something left for a rainy day- to quote a friend- "sometimes you do what you have to do, to make a buck"?

 

You can buy regular lettuce and check it yourself with a light box if you want to save money and want to spend the time, if you don't trust the Kashrus stickers. Otherwise don't knock the people who rely on those hechsharim. Do your own research and make your own kashrus decisions. You don't have to eat Mike & Ike. It is not a nutritional essential.

 

Someone wrote:

so lets take on the subject of putting on stickers on mikes and ikes


do you think that they basically called mike and ikes and told them ship me a load and they went ahead a stickered them ?

i for one dont believe it -

Well believe it. The mashgiach calls the OU to 'review' the process and then places a hashgocho on it. No one from the 'heimishe' hechser visitied the plant. You are paying extra for the phone call to the rav hamachshir. If you don't believe it, you need to get out of your shtetl mentality, and speak to those involved in kashrus. The hisachdus haganuvim relies extensively on the OU, OK, KAJ, and other 'modern' hashgochos, and just sells bologne to the heimish oilam that blindly follows them.

 

there was once a rabbi. that saw cahssidem in a krateshme asking about a hechsher. so he said not only do you have to what what you take in to your mouth but also what you take out of your mouth needs a bigger hechser

 

to annon 11.10

so by your statment i take that you do not believe that a yid is
" yobechazkis kashries"


I beg to differ and so does the TORAH so i guess i will foolow what the torah says and not what you believe

what you are saying may even border on "kefirah"


and even taking your train of tougth

would you eat in a place where a goy has a hasgacha and there is no masgiach ? vs in a place which is owned by a yid and has a hasgach but no masigach ?

 

broccoli , etc has lots of bugs today becasue we use less pesticides than just a few years before....I know of healthnut, very very modern people who will now only eat bodek....because really who wants to eat bugs halacha or not (ch v sh)?

to the guy who is getting halachic over a coffee shop using glass kaleeem and washing them in the sink with fleishig stuff... Don't get caught up in this halachic discussion, but rather if this is happening ask yourself what else is going on? So unless a rov is making coffee or washing dishes thigns need to be really fool proof

 

To the coffee kahnoy: you can't make glass treif you am haaretz

 

TO Anonymous : August 23, 2006 2:00 PM and August 23, 2006 10:30 PM.
"Besides for Yoshon purposes..it might even be recommended. Time for you to hit the books again...and crack open your dusty Shulchan Aruch."
you actualy are WRONG!!! and it's funny that you called someone else an am ha'aretz. after pesach there is NO SUCH THING AS CHODDOSH!! untill the new crop starts coming in (usualy end of summer) so with regard to flour and post pesach THERE IS NOTHING TO BE RECOMENDED with regard to yoshon. it does not exist whether the flour was from before pesach or not.
i think you should check the dust on your own SH"A before accusing others of not using theirs.

 

whats the latest story about a kosher supermarket in Monsey selling Treif meat with a kosher certification...

 

anybody hear whats going on in monsey this week ?
there is a kashrus concern in one of the groceries . where they found chicken where the source of it cannot be verified

 

Rockland Kosher Supermarket who has a "hasgacha temidis" from R' Meshulem Poletcheck who doesn't even live in Monsey! I tried looking for this rabbi a couple of times but I never found him in the store. Are these the kind of rabbis we have today?

 

THE STORY I HEARD WAS THAT HATZLOCHA GROCERY IN MONSEY HAS A MEAT DEPT AND IS RUN BY SOME SHMUCK SOLD TREIF CHICKEN. THEY ORIGINALY SOLD CHICKEN FROM A COUPLE OF PLANTS AND ONE WAS KIRYAS JOEL SHCITA CHICKENS. AFTER A COUPLE YEARS OF NOT PAYING FOR THE MEATS AND OWING K.J. $40,000 K.J. STOPPED SELLING THEM THE CHICKENS.
ONE YINGERMAN WHO WORKS IN SATMAR SHCHITA ASKS HIS BROTHER-IN-LAW WHO WORKS IN HATZLOCHA; "NU, HOW ARE YOU MANAGING WITHOUT OUR CHICKENS?" HE SAYS "WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE HAVE K.J. CHICKENS NO PROBLEM WE ARE SELLING THEM REAL WELL.....K.J. HAD INVESTIGATERS BREAK INTO THE GROCERY AND GUESS WHAT THE CHICKENS THEY FOUND IN K.J. STICKERED BOXES WERE TREIF...NOW THERE IS THIS HUGE INVESTIGATION...

 

I was in Monsey for the summer and I can tell you Rockland Kosher is NOT the grocery with the problem.

I happened to have bought chicken from the grocery in question and am still waiting to hear what the psak will be.

with re to R' Polatschek of Rockland Kosher's Hashgocha, as well as any other Rabbi who gives Hashgochos - the Rabbi whose name is on the label doesn't actually have to be there. Usually these Rabbis hire people and train them to oversee food production etc.

 

now there is this other story, that a goyisha worker who was fired from hatzlocha grocery meat department wanted to get even with the owners therefore he smuggled in treif chickens and packaged it with kosher stickers. only when cutomers complained that the chickens had a different taste because it was unsalted was there an investigation.

 

I buy in Rockland Kosher because I trust the people there.

Though, I did ask around and there is a lot of times when there is NO mashgiach around. R' Polatcheck does advertise that he is always there.

 

chaptzem should be arrested and given malkos arboim. The fact that he put up this post last week PROVES that he knew about the problems in Monsey. He was using this board to get people to talk about the topic . He was hoping that everyone would already be talking about kashrus scandals and then his site would get the most ratings when he broke the monsey story. Well, the jokes on you chaptzem because you only got 41 comments and vosizneias got 150 - just today!!!

 

Most Rabbonim in the 'know' do not use or allow Rubashkin's meat to be used. The biggest problem that they have is that time after time, treif meat ends up in boxes marked kosher. How many times have we seen non-glatt meat ending up in boxes marked with Breuers hechsher??

Also - when was the last time anyone from Breuers actually did the schechita on the meat? It looks like this is the classic case of check in, check out, pick up a check.

Rubashkin is an embarresment to Klal Yisroel. Look how many times he has been cited for animal cruelty, pollution, fair labor working conditions, pay, etc.

There should be a seperate blog on exposing meat problems alone. Rubashkin would be problem number one.

 

The only butcher I trust in Monsey is Rabbi Mendlowitz. And the one person whse opinion I trust is Rabbi Shain's.

 

Good for you. I think I'll start shopping from now on for meat stricly by Mendolowitz.

 

Mr. Gershon Schlesinger & Nassau Provisions Kosher Foods Sold the Treifa Chicken to Shevach Meat as Kosher Chicken (Empire, Rebashkin, ETC.) but not Kiryas Yoel Poultry Shevach Meat Re packaged the Chicken with K J Meat (Kiryas Yoel Poultry) any one in Monsey or in the New York area must ask your Grocery if any product or products is from Mr. Gershon Schlesinger & Nassau Provisions Kosher Foods (frozen, canned, cereals ketchup, mayonnaise, Frankfurters, hotdogs, Tukeyroll) This items may also be re packaged since it is sold $3.00 to $5.00 cheaper Per case than any other Distributor in the New York Area Don’t you smell a RAT ??? DON’T SIT BACK CALL YOUR GROCER TO STOP BUYING OR YOU STOP BUYING FROM THAT GROCER

 

This is not Mr. Finkel alone there is more people involved in this TREUFA scandal the supply house that sold him the Chicken as Kosher

 

This week is a sad week in Jewish History in Monsey this tragedy get all Jewish walks of life

 

the following email was sent to the membership of this major shul in the monsey community. similar emails are being sent to other large shuls in the area. IT lays down some TRUTH as to what's going on - vs. some of what has been said/posted here.

Dear Members and Friends of Bais Torah:

This note is regarding the discovery of unlabeled packages of chicken in Shevach Meats, located in Hatzlocha grocery. An email went out on Friday, 9/1/06, which discussed this matter in detail.

================================================== ====


After some investigation and discussion with a number of Rabbonim, including Rabbi Breslauer who has overseen the Hashgocho on the butcher shop in Hatzlacha grocery, the following is advised at present: Anyone who bought chicken bottoms last Tuesday, August 29, or last Wednesday August 30 from Shevach meats at Hatzlacha grocery must discard those chickens.

If you bought and prepared that chicken, all the utensils that came in contact with the chicken are in need of Kashering. If you are among those who need to Kasher their utensils you should contact me directly to discuss the proper procedure for all utensils.

As of this time, any other meat or chicken from Shevach meats are not known to be a problem. However, I would advise that you refrain from eating any of the meat until the matter can be clarified further.

If and when further information becomes available, I will pass that information on to all of you.

Rabbi Yisroel Gottlieb
Rov, Congregation Bais Torah

 

Is Nassau Provisions a kosher Distributor of kosher Chicken?? If yes he is there BAAL MACHSER

 

The? Treife Chicken sold by Hatzolcha Grocery - Shevach Meat was from KJ meat (SATMAR) or KAJ as (Kahal Adas Yeshurn) dos any one know

 

Ho is Nassau Provisions is it from Monsey or elsewhere is it a Kosher establishment or none Kosher

 

ONE OF MY FAMILY COMPLAINT ABOUT THE CHICKEN NOT BEING SALTY ENOUGH RIGHT AFTER PESACH, AND HE WAS TOLD THAT SAME STUPID ANSWER THAT THEY CHANGED TO LOW SODIUM SALT. THIS WAS MONTHS AGO!!! SO WHEN THE OWNER SAYS ITS FROM EMPIRE, NOT TELLING THE TRUTH FROM WERE IT CAME FROM, YOU WILL NEVER KNOW EXACTLY FOR HOW LONG THIS GOES ON, AND WHICH MEATS WERE INVOLVED,
THE FACT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS, THAT THEY FOUND SOME 18 CASES OF “NON-KOSHER” MEAT!!!! FACT NUMBER TWO IS, THAT HE WAS SELLING DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF MEAT THEN HE BOUGHT FROM THE SHCHITA, AND THIS WAS NOT ONLY TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY!!! THIS IS FOR MONTHS!!!!!! SO BY SAYING ONLY 1 OR 2 SHCHITA’S HAD A PROBLEM, AND ONLY FOR THE LAST 2 DAYS IS ONLY TO HIDE THE TERIBILLE FACT WHAT WAS GOING ON!!!

 

I shop there on a steady basis and I am very close to the owners of both Hatzlocho and Shevach, the mashgiach has NOT been there for at least 2 to 3 months, and when the problem arose it was NOT Breslauer who was there, he came later after he was called down and his Mashgiach did not even come to the meeting of the rabbonim after he was called down he said that he was out of town and was later found at a wedding in Ateres Charna talking to the owner of Shevach but he did not have time for the rabbonim, now you go and figure out for youself if this a good hechsher, Rabbi Breslaur is a very chushiva yid but that does not mean that his hecsher is good

 

Reply to hubby said. September 04, 2006 9:22 PM
1st Guard your tong in this case your finger
2nd Monsey is a mostly Jewish town to call people this is a shame

 

agree with the recent poster. Why do the local small hechsherim rely on frum owners? All the big organizations Star K, OU, OK, etc - you can say what you want about them, but they require a mashgiach temidi for meat!! Its sad but true, I don't care if owner is chinese or bearded yid, an owner should not have keys. The big ones have mashgiach with only key to fridge and the special tape. It would cost us only pennies extra if the stores needed to pay extra for a mashgiach. This extra cost is well worth it. You see the consequences of relying on heterim. Even closed circuit cameras are being used by some of the big organizations. You can always review tape and see who did what. We must get with the 21st century and make the kashrus better with it!

 

What is really sad, is to see how the general heimishe public is so toatlly ignorant of what the Kashrus agencies, Hashgachos & Mashgichim of food establishments really deal with.
In general, it is wise to assume, that eating "out" may be relying on "heterim" you may not be aware of, and may choose not to allow (this food which needed a special heter) in your own home.
When a Rav Hamachshir prints a sign stating "yochlu anuvim v'yisbu" or in other words, eat to your hearts content - it's kosher, that is, as was, on the day the Rav gave his seal. On any future day, when the Masgiach calls the Rov with a "shayloh" because of a "problem" and the Rov thinks and comes up with a heter, do you think they change the sign that day warning you that "today you're eating bedievedige fleish"????
There is no red light, green light in hasgocho reporting to alert you to a psak heter that was applied for that day. In other words, you don't know what kind of "shaylos" any particular hechsher deals with on a constant basis.
These "shaylos" go way beyond the Rav Hamachshir of the place you're eating. There are details affecting kashrus from the earliest stages of production, be it the farm or the factory.
There is almost no food product in the grocery store today that is not affected by "shaylos" and "kulos" that we don't know about.
And one final comment, a heimsihe restaurant on 18th Ave. in BP lost it's hechsher a while back due to kashrus problems. Along comes another Rav Hamachshir and certifies it as kosher. My friends, the OU dropped their hecgsher. A Williamsburgh Ruv put his on without even consulting the previous Masgichim to inquire as to why the establishment lost its hechsher in the first place.
One last word, Rav Bresslauer shli"ta is a Tzaddik. Period.
If any wrong was done, he'll be shouting it loudest. I am a native Monseyer born there close to 40 years ago. I remember when Rav Yaakov Kamenetsky zt"l made him Rov of Bais Tefilla.

 

In Reply to Anonymous said September 05, 2006 12:00 AMho is Nassau Provisions.


Nassau Provisions is none kosher establishment it is trying to get in the Jewish Kosher market it sells blow wholesale pricing it will do anything to get business up until this year Nassau did not sell Kosher as in Meat only it just tried getting in the meat & Poultry Market

 

Gershon Schlesinger is Nassau Provisions salesman in the Monsey Area he is the one ho sold to Shevach Meat the treif chickens as open boxes from Empire Poultry (AKNA 2nds) As dropped on the floor or ugly not presentable as 1st

 

Monsey, NY - Shevach Meats who rented some space inside Hatzlacha grocery store in Monsey, NY was caught selling nonkosher (treifa) chicken as Kosher from Kiryas Yoel.

His, and the hashgacha's house of cards came falling down in the middle of last week, when one of the owners of the grocery was told by one worker of Kiryat Joel meat slaughterhouse offhand, that the butcher had not recieved a shipment of chicken from them in 3 weeks. But the owners realized that they had been selling Kiryas Joel chicken the entire time, so they got scared and called their hashgacha.

The Mashgichim broke into the butcher's cooler at night and found 19 cases of unmarked chicken, they tasted the skin and it did not taste salty at all. Also did they found that the kidneys were still intact, which on kosher chicken shouldn't be, since it's removed before salting.
At that time they called in the butcher who insisted it was Empire chicken. They checked with an Empire Mashgiach who lives in Monsey who told them that it isn't their kosher chicken.

He was immediately ejected from Hatzlacha, as the investigation continued, more came out and it was discovered that for at least 6 months he had been selling twice as much meat retail as he had bought from known Shechita houses, not even counting what he had sold wholesale to halls, yeshivas etc.
Furthermore, some people had noticed for months that the chicken was less salty than usual, when they asked the butcher about it, he told them that they are using a new low sodium salt in the kashering process, which was false, and that may also extend to meat too.

H'Rav Weissmandel put out a letter advising everyone to kasher all their keilim.

 

AS WE TALK RIGHT NOW THERE IS A MEETING OF ALL MONSEY RABONIM TO INVESTIGATE HOW THE CHICKEN GOT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE SO LETS WAIT AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY

 

The New York State Attorney General's office and other State agencies are involved the treif chickens have been impounded by them and was sent out to their labs to test the origin of the chicken's, there are methods of testing the chickens like checking what kind of Food the chickens had etc, they have the ability to get the info, so let's wait to see what they will come up with,

 

I know very little about what's actually going on with the butcher store, but I see what's going on on this blog and it is, for teh most part, irresponsible, stupid, and sick.

For all those with vast opinions, small brains and even small knowledge of halachah: There are halachos that determine
"neemonus" -- that means credibilty. That doesn't mean that no michshol can ever happen; it means that there are people and things that the Torah allows -- maybe even expects -- us to assume are reliable. Sometimes things happen that make a person or item lose their chezkas Kashrus or neemanusm that does not mean that you were retroactively no allowed to do something (though it might need teshuvah, but likely not if it was a halachic "oness"). See Igros Moshe Orach Chaim 1, I believe Siman nun-gimmel.

Clearly the butcher here has lost his Chezkas kashrus. See the lengthy Tehshuvas Divrei Chaim -- I think se'if zayin, in Yoreh Deah.

There are halachos of telling and believing Lashon Hara. Ther are many things that one may only beleive if they are proven in Beis din.

Yudel Shain has for decades thrown grenades at people and hashgachos with reckless abandon, and with a complete disregard for any of the Yoreh Deiah or Choshen Misphat halchos involved. To cite him as evidence or as an accusation is ridiculous.

There is almost no hashgachah that has not had a michshol. SO to tar and feather a Talmid Chochom and Yosrei Hashem Mei'rabbim who doubtless gave his hashgachah al pi halachah is idiotic.

Yiddishe Mamma: Without naming any "types," last year's Flatbush scandal was brought about by "Rabbonim" who vouched for a person who had lost his chezkas Kashrus. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The rest of the posters would do better to crack a sefer -- even the women would be better off learning that spewing off or reading this ignorance.

 

Its time for paople to realize that when they go into a grocery store buying a container chochlates or candies packed in the grocery, that they are relying on the Baal Machshir of the Grocery (or on the owner if there is no Baal Machshir) and not just on the Ball Machshir of the Brand!!!

 

is this tru עס קורסירן קלאנגען אז דער דיסטריביוטער גרשי שלעזינגער פון Nassau Provisions האט געהאט א יד אין די מעשה i dont noe if dise is true but if yes its an erthqauke

 

Hundreds of people from all kinds, came to Kasher today at the kashering site at Hatzlocha Grocery, all standing with broken hearts and tears in there eyes, like they would be bringing a “Korben”, thinking what bought them here, why they have to kasher all there Keilim on a simple Monday in chodesh Elul.

 

Today Monday as of 5:00PM Askonim have set up a kashering site near Hatzlocha Grocery were everybody was able to kasher there keilim.for free no charge.
The askonim asked for help from Chaverim from Monsey and from Chaverim of KJ.
Chaverim from Monsey and Chaverim from KJ responed with help
In addition of the several members from Chaverim of KJ, there was also a whole staff of experins “Kashering Mashgichem” from KJ to assit in the kashering process
Special thanks to Hatzlocha Grocery and Glaubers Bakery for supplying the gas line, bakery goods and drinks
This Kashering will also be going on Tuesday and Wednesday at the same place.

 

I heard from one of the rabonim that is big involved in this case that basically there are 2 reasons that they don’t condemn this so called ball macshir "treifos"

1) He is considered a Talmud cocham by a lot of litvishe and by this litvishe if u can kwetsh ois a trikene shmate u are a godel and by pointing the finger to him they will make kvod hatorah the eikor and kashrus a tofel

2) And for the cashidishe they will say it’s only politic and business

So they decided to focus on koshering the keilim and to bring back kashrus in Yiddish heiman and with this ball macshir they thing they have time.

 

1) MF had major financial problems and a major cash crunch in the last couple of months
2) MF was seen by neighbor's at the back parking lot from Hatzluche constantly packing out from his own car boxes of products, which say's a lot of where he got the treif product.
3) I have seen Shevach's cooler many times and I can tell you that it's not big and to store so many boxes (only 20 were caught but there was many more) is impossible without being caught by the Mashgiach

 

We must go back when each chickens was but on a seal (ASKA a PLUMBA) certified as Kosher, Glatt ECT.

 

I’m a frequent in the parking lot by Hatzlocha Grocery, Shevach Meat and Glauber Bakery I never saw Mr. M Finkel shleep any thing this is a lie all deliveries is by truck or van Mr. M Finkel was always cutting meat and packaging

 

To avoid a Mic-shel again buy all your Meat by a Butcher owned by a mossad such as Satmar, Pupa in Williamsburg or Satmar, Pupa in Boro Park Satmar in KJ where the person working has no financial gain by changing labels or selling nonkosher (treifa) chicken may you encoridge your mossad in your area to open a butcher it is a good business even by only going straight

 

Reply to Anonymous said. September 05, 2006 12:33 AM
The New York State Dept. of Agriculture & Markets Kosher Law Enforcement are involved the treif chickens have been impounded by them and was sent out to their labs to test the origin of the chicken's, there are methods of testing the chickens like checking what kind of Food the chickens had etc, they have the ability to get the info, so let's wait to see what they will come up with, for more information you can call Rabbi Weiss @ Kosher Law Enforcement: 718-260-2855

 

rabbis of the greater monsey area are now saying that the treif chicken was bought from a company called nassau kosher provisions thru its salesman gershy schlesinger, and are asking all the monsey stores not buy any products from nassau provisions or gershy schlesinger.

 

Radical Islamic sites react to treif chickens
A sampling of radical Islamic websites revealed a heavy dose of skepticism regarding the alleged sale of non kosher chickens in Monsey. The sites reportedly claim that "the Jews knew full well that those were not Jewish chickens. Everyone knows that the Mossad told all Jewish chickens to stay home on the day of the slaughter."

 

ALL MEAT AND CHICKEN THAT WAS PURCHASED FROM HATZLOCHA GROCERY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS CAN NOT BE EATEN.

Thursday morning the butcher admitted to the rav hamachshir that the chicken from Tuesday and Wednesday had been bought from a non Jewish truck driver who assured him it was stolen from a kosher store. (Obviously it wasn't, not that that would be ok anyways!)

Late Friday, as the investigation continued, more came out. The owners of the grocery got the sales numbers from all the local slaughterhouses and tallied them against the sales of meat in the store computer and discovered that for at least 6 months he had been selling twice as much meat retail as he had bought from known shechita houses, not even counting that he sold wholesale as well. Furthermore, some people testified before the rabbinic investigators that they had noticed for months that the chicken was less salty than usual and asked the butcher about it, and he had told them they used a new low sodium salt in the kashering process, which was false.

As for the hashgacha, I'd like to remind everyone that Rav Bresslauer is an elderly ehrlich talmud chacham and that he is in no way implicated, ch"v, in anything. M'din, a shomer shabbas "middleman" butcher who doesn't do his own shechita and doesn't cook the food doesn't need more than a yotze v'nichnas mashgiach. Whether the mashgiach was negligent will have to be addressed - he may not have been, as the kashrus system and indeed most halacha relies on shomrei shabbas being trustworthy for issur v'heter, unlike this butcher. Regardless, all the kashrut organizations hire the same mashgichim and it's highly unlikely any other hashgacha would have caught it any faster since they would probably have had the identical setup.

 

You people are not getting the point at all. The so called Heimeshe hechsherim are much more lenient than the so called modern hechsherim.

My friend works at the OK and he told me that by the OK, OU, and Kof K NO owner(not even a frumer owner) is allowed to have the keys to the fridge or to the cooking area.

ALL the heimishe hechsherim give a hechsher on the owner (gavra) not the restaurant. The rely on the frumer owners.

The abovementioned hechsherim give a hechsher on the the restaurant as they are in control of what comes in and what goes out.

Only with a professional system where the mashgiach receives the meat and keeps an accurate record of what comes in and what goes out can you give a reliable hechsher.

The respected Rabbonim in Monsey should get together and implement this system.

The problem with the butcher store in Faltbush under Kehilla was the EXACT same problem. They did not have a mashgiach tmidi who had the only keys. Till this day Kehilla did not learn from their mistake and still rely on frumer owners.


All the heimeshe hechsherim must change their policy and start demanding full time mashgichim who are in full and sole control of all meat establishments.

 

>And one final comment, a heimsihe restaurant on 18th Ave. in BP lost it's hechsher a while back due to kashrus problems. Along comes another Rav Hamachshir and certifies it as kosher. My friends, the OU dropped their hecgsher. A Williamsburgh Ruv put his on without even consulting the previous Masgichim to inquire as to why the establishment lost its hechsher in the first place.

Which place is this?

 

Is Gershon Shlesinger related to Rav shlesinger

 

I just had a respectible place deliver 11 pounds of chicken last Erev Shabbos, and the delivery guy was obviously not frum - and the entire package was not sealed at all. Just some clumsy aluminum foil which was open at all ends. I asked a shaalah to a choshuve rov, and he said, that under those circumstances, it is OK. But a meeting of the Vaad Harabonim has been called...

 

the rabonim in the greater monsey area have concluded that the treif chicken that was sold at hatzlocha grocery was bought thru the salesman of nassau kosher provisions gershy schlesinger. the rabonim are also asking all the monsey stores not buy any products from nassau kosher provisions or gershy schlesinger

 

Help me understand what's going on here. One supermarket's meat department is found to be selling non-kosher chicken and the entire orthodox jewish world is in an uproar. Misirah debates cease and the State is called in to enforce and prosecute possible violations of Kosher Laws. I get all this. What I don't understand is the shocking silence at Lipa Margulies opening a new yeshiva in Lakewood, Yudi Kolko organizing a multi camp trip to a water park and swimming with the children in the park. In February of this year we were all made aware of a shocking ongoing problem in our yeshiva system, where is the outcry? Where are the Rabbonim? Chickens call for an outcry, our childeren don't?

 

my friend made a catered simcha last week. she has a nephew who is a real chushava yingerman that does not eat outside food only home cooked food. guess what, she bought k.j. chickens at hatzlocha and cooked it for him and he was the only one who ate treif chicken...so the best thing would be if we all became vegetarians..

 

The best thing was in the "alte heim", where one bought live chickens in the market and had them shechted by a shochet that one personally knew to be erliche, and then if there were any shailos on the chicken, you went to your rov to ask. I think that is the only way to be truly sure you're getting kosher chicken.

 

the rabbonim didn't write anything about nassau kosher because finkel tried to cover himslef and blamed it on a non-jewish truck driver as a matter the rabbonim waited for the truck and when it came they jumped onto the truck and found nothing then finkel said it was a different driver so they checked it with nassau and found that there is no other driver that heads that way so leave schlesinger alone

 

years ago, boro park kollel supermarket put stickers on eagle snacks peanuts when it came off the truck.

these deliveries were not a special batch. the same stuff everyone else would get.

 

On a recent vacation I ate some food at a Florida restaurant and became very sick. Two weeks later a friend of mine told me that the restaurant has become unkosher and he told me that they might have already been selling unkosher foods, it was simply a "relaxed mashgiach" who was working there.

 

1. I'm in my local pizza shop, that has a good hechsher, erev Shabbos. The mashgiach and two rabbis from the Vaad are all present, chatting with the customers and management, and saying Good Shabbos to everybody. The store is closing up, and they leave. A lady walks in, who most would categorize as modern orthodox, points to the challah on the counter, and asks the counterman, Where's the challah from? The challah are wrapped in unmarked plastic bags, and "sealed" with twisties. He say, We made them ourselves, in these ovens, and he points to the pizza ovens. She rolls her eyes, looks mortified, and walks out. Many Jews that Shabbos were eating a milchige challah with their chicken and kugel. I told the head of the vaad, and he put a stop to it.

2. I worked in a hotel as a waiter, where the fleishig and milchige silverware were hopelessly mixed up. There were numerous patterns, and nobody knew which was supposed to be which.

3. In another hotel, the same rolls they put out for the dairy breakfast and lunch, they put out for the fleishig dinner.

4. In that same hotel, they had big cans of fruit salad, peaches and pears in a big freezer. Next to these open cans were dairy products, including cottage cheese. The fruit cans would be used for both meat and dairy meals, even though the cottage cheese would sometimes fall into it. The mashgiach said, Just fish out the lumps of cottage cheese that you see in the syrup. He didn't want to make trouble by ordering the hotel owner to have separate dairy and meat fruit cans, or tell him to put the cans someplace else.

5. Before the days when cholov Yisroel was standard, the hotel used to offer it as an option. One time a man wanted cholov Yisroel for his coffee. There was none. So they served him regular milk in a pitcher, and told him it was cholov Yisroel.

 

All of which show that nothing terrible really happened. Nobody was struck dead by eating treif, nobody got sick from the food.

 

was it realy necessary to post this comment

All of which show that nothing terrible really happened. Nobody was struck dead by eating treif, nobody got sick from the food.

Comment Credit ---This article posted by Anonymous : September 08, 2006 12:15 PM

i would like to see it removed

 

Yisroel Belsky, the Hashgacha rabbi for hire seems available for other work as long as the price is right. How can the OU keep this man on their payroll?

http://savefile.com/files/53776

 

I JUST GOT BACK FROM A SHEVA BRUCHAS IN BORO PARK AND MY HUSBAND SAW THE WAITERS DRINKING HOT COFFEE WITH MILK ALL OVER THE EGGS AND CHOPPED LIVER. HE TOLD THEM TO PUT THE COFFEE ELSEWHERE AND THEY JUST SHRUGGED IT OFF. WHERE WERE THE MASHGECHEM? WHO KNOWS? BY THE WAY THIS CATERING HALL HAS SUPPOSEDLY THE BEST HECHSHER...

 

the best way is to prepare food at home from scratch.

 

Besides making just about all our food from scratch, we even take our own food to Chasunas and when we go away for Shabbos.It makes life a little more complicated, but, at least we know what we're eating.

 

Is Moshe Finkel the guy that sold Treifa Chicken as Kosher in Monsey alone on this or more people involved with him?? What is the Rabonim of Monsey Saying? Is it only local or in the whole New York

 

No as of Sunday the Rabonim of Monsey not saying much lots more to come and more than M Finkel involved in this Treifa Chicken scandal

 

many Glatt Kosher stores DO NOT date their meat packages as required by federal law. perhaps if this law was enforced this type of fraud would have been discovered Treifa Chicken scandal much SOONER rather than LATER.

 

All the kosher supermarkets in the Monsey area are also complaining about the frozen Pizza from Nassau Provisions was tempered with and the taste is not the same as the Kosher brand its labeled

 

The customers returned rate on Frozen Pizza distributed by Nassau Provisions is 10 to 2 (on a dozen 10 is being returned) we small another Rat in Kosher???? Oh no Please Please

 

Has anyone heard of another letter put up by Rabbi Weissmandel this Friday that there may be 4 other stores (not necessarilly in Monsey) that may have a problem now because the meat they are repackaging was not the meat they were supposed to have?
I heard it from a chassidishe guy this morning who said he saw the letter of Friday.

can abyone shed some light on this?

 

Some appliances and other items cannot be kashered, so many families have had to buy new pots and pans and get rid of older convection ovens and toaster ovens.

 

PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THE POSTINGS ABOVE IS WRITTEN BY SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING TO BESMIRCH THE ABOVE NAMED AND IT HAS NO VALIDITY.

 

WHAT A SHAME THAT SOMEONE FOR PERSONNAL REASONS USES THIS OPPURTUNITY TO SMEAR PERSONNAL NAMES AT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE REALLY HURTING AND THIS LIER IS USING THIS FOR HIS PERSONNAL AGENDA

 

the person who is writing personnal names: be aware that this person who is writing it lost a court battle and he is trying very hard to spread FALSE rumors, so to get even with him.

 

To the person who wrote personnal names is "OSID LITEN ES HADIN" for writing such false and slander comments, Mrs. Hindy Schlesinger HOW LONG MORE? will you go on with these lies?? because your side of the family lost????

 

I am from Monsey and it bothers me that someone from here in Monsey who has a personnal fight with someone is using this forum to spread around LIES, we have here a problem people bought treif meat and we are hurt, so why use this forum to spread LIES because of a family dispute?

 

HINDY SCHLESINGER from Monsey is spreading arond lies on this blog about her cousins that they are involved in the treif meats, when in fact that they are not even in the fresh poultry business, its all lies outright lies and slander.

 

I forgot to write in the previous postings on my cousins that they also killed 20 people and stole 100 million dollars and burned down 7 buildings and hijacked 4 planes and ripped apart a bear with a lion together.

 

to the person who is bashing the Schlesinger's you are not writing that they are the ones who are in kuhutz with Nassarrallah and Khatami to kill thousends of jews.

 

To the one who asked me, would I eat from his meat, why not, as long as he has a Chazkus Kashrus,his meat is Kosher. For some reason everybody assumes the worst, and yet I have not seen any proof.

 

This whole story is just so obsured! I dream about it every day, and when I get to work and want to talk about it,my workmates get so nervous,"there she goes again with the chicken story."

It's mind boggling how a frum jewish person,can fall so steeply just for money or I don't know why else.

 

Don't Yidden have enough Tzaros.I am sure this person feels bad. Just drop the subject so I can go back to my life undisturbed.

 

you must be out of your mind!!!!!!!!

Who is the "victim" over here?

They are "Mosrim", be careful not to speak freely in front of them, because you never know, you might get in to a fight with them over a Parking spot and to teach you a lesson they might just...... you know what.

So don’t be so Naive!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This happened in Monsey and not Boro Park, Flatbush, Williamsburg, etc... You know why? Because here in Monsey is where the big chushiveh gedoilim disgraced the gudul hador's ainikl without letting him defend himself. Even now the bihaimus is that stable kick him when he is down. Every minute they were doing so they were eating tarfus mamish - what big kinockers they turned out to be.

 

From what I heard,he is innocent.
I have said before,Don't be quick to judge others.As far as I am concerned, you all have to ask and beg from him M'Chila.

 

I justheard in shul that the scandal is spreading to Boro-Park Flatbush. A well known Chasuna Hall, and a butcher purchased meats and chickens from Shevach.

 

Anonymous said...
SPRING VALLEY — A state investigation into the sale of possibly nonkosher chicken by a local butcher is expected to be completed by early next week.

Jessica A. Chittenden, a spokeswoman for the state's Department of Agriculture and Markets, said the state agency that had quarantined 15 cases of chicken last week from Hatzlocha Grocery would have the results of salt testing — a key ingredient in koshering — by Tuesday.

In addition, Chittenden said, the agency also wants to, among other things, find out if the chicken was ever certified kosher and by whom and how it was advertised in the Maple Avenue kosher supermarket.

"We're trying to clarify the facts because there are a lot of allegations out there," she said.

She added that a merchant found to be passing off nonkosher foods as kosher could face a maximum $1,000 fine.

Moshe Finkel, the owner of Shevach Meats, has been accused of stocking the shelves at the supermarket with nonkosher chicken that was labeled as kosher.

Finkel, who rents space for his butcher shop behind the Hatzlocha Grocery, bought meat in bulk, and then sliced, packaged and sold it at the grocery store and to wedding halls, religious schools and upstate Hasidic camps.

Finkel, who lives in Monsey, has remained largely out of sight and was not at his home yesterday morning. He did not return phone calls left on an answering machine. Many in the community have speculated that he has left the state.

Since store owners found nonkosher chicken in Finkel's butcher shop last week, after discovering that he had not been getting deliveries from a regular distributor, many in the deeply religious Orthodox Jewish community have hurried to kasher — or make kosher — utensils they had used to prepare Shevach Meats chicken.

A coalition of local rabbis this week advised that anyone who had purchased any meat from Finkel, in his nearly decade-long association with Hatzlocha Grocery, should have their utensils purified because they do not know how long nonkosher chicken had been sold there.

Kashering venues, where Jews can bring pots and pans and dip them in boiling water, were set up throughout the community since the sabbath ended Sunday.

Some appliances and other items cannot be kashered, so many families have had to buy new pots and pans and get rid of older convection ovens and toaster ovens.

Both Ramapo and Spring Valley police said yesterday no criminal charges had been filed against Finkel.

 

Did any Rabbonim talk about this subject over shabbos?
No I am not asking for Lashon Horah,just to hear the Musar part.

 

Wowa real nebech suprised hes still alive . I am thankful hes hiding because they will find him quicker then the 10 most wanted by the fbi.How could someone screw the whole klal yisrael right in front of there face its unreal i cant beleive my eyes

 

The Rabbonim should not let any grocery stores sell meat, only meat stores. the meat stores should have a mashgiach ALL the time.

 

I HAVE NOT YET SEEN ANY SUGESTIONS AS TO SAFEGUARDS TO PREVENT A RECCURENCE OF THE MONSEY CHICKEN SCANDAL. WHERE THERE IS MONEY INVOLVED THERE IS TEMPTATION AND ALL TOO MANY SUPERMARKETS ARE "REPACKAGING" MEAT.

WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THIS?

 

Who knows how long this would have continued if not for Kiryas Joel's workers diligence in reporting what happened.

 

Is Ari Weiss relative to Mordechi Weiss from Sea-Gate Brooklyn??? The old crook the Real Estate thieve who has taken money from everyone in town dos any one know??

 

1) Fact is Nassau Provisions Kosher Foods Sold the Treifa Chicken to Shevach Meat as Kosher Chicken (Empire, Rebashkin, ETC.) but not Kiryas Yoel Poultry Shevach Meat Re packaged the Chicken with K J Meat (Kiryas Yoel Poultry) any one in Monsey or in the New York area must ask your Grocery if any product or products is from Mr. Gershon Schlesinger & Nassau Provisions Kosher Foods (frozen, canned, cereals ketchup, mayonnaise, Frankfurters, hotdogs, Tukeyroll) This items may also be re packaged since it is sold $3.00 to $5.00 cheaper Per case than any other Distributor in the New York Area Don’t you smell a RAT ???
2) Fact is Mr. Gershon Schlesinger is the salesperson in the Monsey area
3) Gershon Schlesinger is in the food business call any Monsey Grocer in Monsey from, Shimon Mendlowitz, who owns Monsey Glatt @ 845-425-Meat, Hershey Simons Wesley Kosher @ 845-364-7217 Mr. Rosenthal Rockland Kosher, 845-425-2266 and Mr. Green Hatzlocha Grocery 845-425-9220

 

In Williuamsburg the fancy Catering Hall "ATERAS AVROHOM" is kashering now their kitchen since during last summer when their supplier couldn't deliver satmar chickens the ywere told to get it hurriedly from a place in Monsey named Shevach who has satmar chickens...it happened several times, tonite there is a wedding and they have bring in outside utensils to handle the meat, ITS A MESS

 

In Reply to
Anonymous said...
WHAT A SHAME THAT SOMEONE FOR PERSONNAL REASONS USES THIS OPPURTUNITY
September 10, 2006 2:02 PM


The Emas is on its way there is a Kol-Korah on its way who is the one behind the Treifa Chicken & Meat scandal the supplier and sales person

 

People are trying to find reasons why Gershon Schlesinger did this horrific thing to us like:
1)Pressured life
2)Needed money for tuition, camp...
3) Mentally sick
4)Crooked wife
5)Mafia and so on...

ALL OF THE ABOVE

 

S T O P saying that this choshuvah Mr. Gershon Schlesinger etc. etc. -

He "was" a two facer!
He is a ganev gommer!
A baal aveiro!
A machatee ess horabbim!
A swindler!
A drei kopp!
A rosho merusha!
A murderer!
(Whoever is machshil someone with treifa, causes the person who un-knowingly ate treifa and neveilus "korays" [dies prematurely! r"l]

The money that he used for tzeddakah was treifa money, geganvetteh money (from yidden - not from social service) who knows if the Torah he Donated may continue to be used..??..

 

Why does this blog mention people's names and spread all this Motzei Shem Rah? Maybe some of those named are innoccent. You are supposed to be Dan L'Kaf Zechus. It is Chodesh Ellul, everyone who posts on this blog, and the moderator should be more careful about what they say about others, and be 150% sure of their facts, before spouting off. If you try to judge others favorably, then Hashem will judge you favorably. If you judge with Midas Hadin, then Hashem will judge you with Midas Hadin.

 

I Have a problem my father-in-law is sitting in jail and he doesn't know if SHEVACH didn't smuggle in some treif meat in there, can some of the rabbonim here please advise us what to do? PLEEASE????????

 

TO ALL IT MAY CONCERN, THIS BLOG IS A SICK PLACE, ANYBODY WHO HAS A PERSONNAL GRUDGE AGAINST ANYBODY CAN COME HERE AND BASH AND BASH AND BASH, WHY DON'T YOU GO OUT AND GET YOURSELF A PUNCHING BAG? WHY MAKE EVERYBODY HERE CRAZY WITH YOUR NON-SENSE, LIES, AND FOWL MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Just today I picked up two identical bottles of strawberry jam with a unique bottle design and lid design. The Polaner was 60 cents less than the Gefen brand.

 

there is a reason why Hindy and Miri went beserk here on this blog and yelled chaptzem , it all started when Yocheved who wheighs about 340 lb's was caught stealing from the drug store when somebody saw he yelled CHAPTZEM and Yocheved was caught red faced (she can't run at 340 lb's)and she was shlepped into the precint because her husband wouldn't give the $500.00 bail that was demanded, so Hindy came down to the precint and she started crying that she has LUPUS and is sick and that miri who her husband is beating her up because he was caught stealing credit cards at the palisades mall

 

in Reply to
Anonymous said...11:01 PM
1. Since there was a din torah, there is still a possiblity of a set up.

2. Does anyone know his cell phone number? We can purchase his records and find out where he got the meat from, if in case he was not set up.

Nassau Provisions a long island based company none kosher establishment sales some kosher national brands items

 

I have an halachic question? can somebody help? my father in-law called me since he heard the story of the SHEVACH meats that he has a question, since he is incarcerated in prison and periodiclly the prison chaplain and family who are from Monsey brought into the prison kitchen meats from SHEVACH what shall he do? he knows that asking the prison to kasher will not help because it will take very long because they are a bureacratic system and it takes 15 years to get something done so the shayla is should he not eat anymore from that kitchen? or since he is in prison anyways for violating every tenent of Jewish and Secular law he was oiver of Gezeila, Geneiva, Retzicha, Mesira, never washed his hands for Negel vasser, etc, and Arson, Money Laundering, Tax evasion, Murder, and etc, etc, maybe he doesn't need to eat kosher at all? or if anybody wants to volunteer to help kasher the chicken/Kitchen can contact us at:
Shmili S. 917-804-4200 or 845-426-7200
Yoeli S. 718-438-7575
Naomi S. 917-596-4156
or contact me on HYDEPARK.CO.IL my Nickname is JEWWORK or YOSELEGOLEM or YIDISHKIND and if you can't find us we will give you more NICKS soon, after all we sit on HYDEPARK most of the day and post and blog away so the whole world should see and learn a lesson of what not to do and what happens when you live a life full of the above mentioned Masiim Tovim, you can also find us here on chaptzem where we have the exclusive rights to this blog.

 

FACT: Nassau Provision is a kosher company that does NOT sell any fresh meat products.

 

Update the owner of Nassau Provisions met with some people involved in this scandal saying the company was not involved only the sales person he himself purchased the none Kosher Chicken Nassau Provisions on his account it was delivered the TREUFA none Kosher Chicken to a Brooklyn address this is all the company information

 

In Reply to
Anonymous said...
FACT: Nassau Provision is a kosher company that does NOT sell any fresh meat products.
September 11, 2006 10:57 AM

FACT: Nassau Provision is a none Kosher Ditriutor as national Brands None Kosher Meat & Chicken,Hot-Dogs

 

Mr. Ari Weiss is a partner in Goldberg's Grocery but he has nothing to do with the meat department. The meat dept. is run by a very chushuva ehrlicha man who has only heimishe workers. Goldberg's in Boro Park has nothing to do with the scandal in Monsey. People shouldn't post things before they verify it as true.

 

Did Ari Weiss or Gershon Schlesinger sell the none Kosher (treifa and neveilus) Chickens in Monsey & in Brooklyn?

 

HINDY SCHLESINGER HAS AN AGENDA!! SHE MUST SHOW THE WORLD AFTER EVERYBODY SAW WHO HER FATHER-IN-LAW IS IN FRONT OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN PACKED COURTROOMS BY OVER FIFTY WITNESSES WHO TESTIFIED ABOUT THE "GOOD" DEEDS OF HER FATHER IN-LAW AND THE "NICE" STUFF HE GOT CONVICTED THAT SHE WILL BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE AND MR. CROOK WILL COME OUT? WELL, HINDY, IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT, BLAMING OTHERS WON'T HELP!!!!! GOING AROUND SPREADING LIES WON'T HELP!!!! IT WILL ONLY MAKE IT WORSE!!!!!!BECAUSE NOW THE WHOLE WORLD REALIZES THE TRUTH!!!!! YOU CAN'T FOOL EVERYBODY!!!!YOUR FATHER IN LAW ALSO THOUGHT THAT HE IS FOOLING EVERYBODY!!!!LOOK WHOM HE FOOLED!!!!!!!HIMSELF!!!!!!HAVE RACHMONOS ON YOUR OWN CHILDREN WHO ARE GOING AROUND BEHIND YOUR BACK AND TELLING EVERYBODY THE LIES AND FOOLISHNESS THAT YOU ARE DIGGING FOR YOURSELF!!!!!!

 

HEY MY NAME IS CONDI RICE, I CAN MAKE PEACE HERE WITHOUT GETTING THIS FIGHT SPILLED OUT ON THE STREET AND SHEDDING... BUT FIRST LET'S GET SOME ORDER HERE, ALL FALSE RUMORS OR LIES MUST CEASE RIGHT AWAY!!!!LET'S NOT HIT ANY BYSTANDERS!!!!!!WHEN YOU STOP THAT PLEASE CALL ME AND I WILL SOLVE THE UNDERLYING PROBLEMS.

 

I hope there are some quality investigetory rabbonim involved.

 

HINDY SCHLESINGER!!YOU SLOB!!BECAUSE YOU HAVE TONS OF STOLEN MONEY FROM YOUR CROOKED FATHER IN-LAW DOES THAT MEAN YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SIT A WHOLE DAY ON THE INTERNET AND WRITE SHKORIM, LOSHON HORA, RECHILUS? I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT USED TO HAVE SOMEBODY SAY DIFFERANT THEN YOUR CROOKED MAFIA FAMILY WANTS EVERYBODY TO KNOW! BUT THE DAYS OF THE MAFIA IS GOING UNDER FATHER KAPO KING NAT IS ALREADY IN JAIL AND LIFE IS NOT THE SAME ANYMORE!!!!!

 

Hindy S. I don't blame you for not beleiving that there is a god in this world after all this is what your father in-law preached to you all his life, that you can STEAL, MURDER, CHEAT, etc,

 

This is not Mr. Ari Weiss alone there is more people involved in this TREUFA scandal the supply house that sold him the Chicken as Kosher

 

Stop with the CAPS, enough already, stop it. You are driving me NUTS.

Thank you

4:14 PM

 

Anyone has an update re the
letter that was to come out
TODAY with a pasak on what to do ??

 

FOR ALL THE NEWCOMERS OF THIS BLOG!!!!PLEASE UNDERSTAND THERE IS A GROUP OF A MAFIA STYLE FAMILY WHO HIJACKED THIS BLOG TO BESMIRCH A FAMILY FOR REASONS THAT IS NOT NICE TO WRITE OVER HERE, PLEASE DON'T TAKE ANYTHING WRITTEN HERE SERIOUS!! THIS IS OUT AND OUT LIES!!!! AND TO THE BLOG OWNER PLEASE REMOVE ALL THE DIRT FROM HERE, YOUR CREDIBILITY STINKS HERE

 

HYDEPARK is reporting that since the mafia took over this chaptsem blog their sites are more peaceful

 

MAFIA Gershon Schlesinger the end is near
1) Musser
2) Selling treifa and neveilus to Jewish people knowing it not Kosher

 

I just spoke with my uncle a holocost surviver, and he was crying and told me that when he was in auswitz r"l, he tryed as hard as he could not to eat treif and it was relley hard, as you you all know, and some times he didn't eat for 2 days, and he feels terriable for those few times he did eat treif but had no other choice and it was PEKIACH NEFESH. and now in america he bought chicken at shevach not knowing that moshe finkel ym"s has the soul of hitler ym"s vezichroi, sold him treif for so many years, he sad how can i forgive myself now, he cryed, may hashem have rachmonis on all those ho relley want to do shuva and send them a ruach tahara in their souls, and this rasha MF ym"s should have a end as all the big rashaim that were intrested in being machshil klal yisroel with big aveirus for so many years.AMEN..

 

To the children of NAFTULA SCHLESINGER, you guys and gals have to understand that by grouping together and working systematicly to spread around lies on the other side of the family that your father/in-law will be released???? hell no!!!!the only thing you do is hurting yourselfs the same way you did at the trial and before that when you guys always managed to shoot yourselfs in the foot.

 

Per Ari Weiss he gets all his Chicken fron Nassau Provisions & Gershon Schlesinger

 

It is real Shameful that the rabbonim are afraid to come out openly and say the truth that the made a BIG mistake and they would like to start by themselves correcting first then telling others how and what to correct there were a lot of halls in the Boro Park area that also sold shevach meat did they kasher yet?
anybody has the list in boro park please post

 

You know all you people are extremely judgemental about this guy...yet has it ever occured to you that if it turns out that he actually did what he is suspected of doing, that this person may be mentally ill? Maybe he has a personality disorder like psychosis? Who knows what goes thru this person's head? Only the Ribonoi Shel Olam knows...

 

NAFTULA SCHLESINGER just met MOSHA FINKEL in prison and he gave him instructions of how to deal with the RABBONIM and the other agencies that are involved he also gave him all the phone numbers of his children in Monsey and he assured him that he still has control of the Mafia and he will watch over him and that nobody will touch him.....and that when he finally will get into prison NAFTULA will make sure that MOSHA will have a decent room with enough CHICKENS for the rest of his life.

 

Here's another someone who still believes Gershon Schlesinger NEVER sold tarfus.

 

This only proves to me that Nat (naftuly) schlesinger really killed his brother and made that big fire to cover his ass that 5 fireman had to be hospitalized,if naftuly's kids could go around spreading lies about their own family. the gemorah says "BRO KAREH DAVIAH" a son is like his father if dudy schlesinger or hindy schlesinger who live in monsey can spread such lies it only tells me that their story that their father is innocent is a big 'FARCE"

 

FATHER TEFLON KAPO KING NAT SCHLESINGER to all liutenants of our crime family: Go onto Chaptzem and blog away about my nephews until they get blown away!!!!! Nothing should stand in your way!! Nothing!!Move everything,shoot to kill,kill, kill kill, until my next orders come out.

STAY TUNED.

KING NAT

 

Mafia Bulletin: DUDDY SCHLESINGER and wife MIRI son and daughter in-law of our beloved King teflon NAT was caught with stealing $260,000.00 of credit cards, we need $500,000 bail money ASAP. please contact General Yocheved in Monsey.
Please do not notify King Nat for he will get depressed.

 

Lets see:
HINDY weighs 279 lb's
Yocheved " 344 lb's
Miri " 304 lb's
Naomi " 417 lb's

They needed a leaner chicken so they got their friend MOSHA FINKEL to produce for them a treif chicken because otherwise their MAFIA husbands would make chickens out of their skins

 

WHY IS HINDY SCHLESINGER FROM MONSEY BUSY WITH NASSAU PROVISIONS?
Hindy eat at the burger king on RT 59 on a regular basis I see her there alot, others know about her also,,her face is just fargrabet, eats triefes and sits on the internet all day doing mischiefs

 

Shmuli Jacoby from williamburg was a middleman selling trief meat for shevach meat

 

Why did miri 5 dudi schlesinger file for bankruptcy again? actually miri is being investigated by citi bank for fraud, she stiffed citi bank with over $100,000

 

hindy has such a fargrabta face from all the triefa meat she ate from finkel that her nose needs an 18 wheeler

 

Just to remind all of you ROSH HASHONO is coming up close!! Chap arein b4 it is to late!!

 

What in the world has happened to the Heimishe Jewish community? How has it come that we stoop so low to spread negative ideas about innocent people - our fellow Jews-in such a public way. Family problems should be kept within the family. This blog has become a forum from the nastiest Lashon Harah. The names of innocent Yidden are being marred by frivolty. It is almost Rosh HaShana; time to do Teshuva! PLEASE STOP THESE AVEIROS. Klal Yisroel needs Refuos and Yeshuos, this is not the way to awakan Rachmei Hashem. A Kesiva V'Chasima Tova.

 

THERE IS A MORTGAGE BROKER FROM WILLIAMSBURG HIS NAME IS SHMUELI (SAM) JACOBY WHO FINANCED THE WHOLE OPERATION OF MOSHE FINKEL AND THE TEAM HE WORKED WITH TO BUY TREIF MEAT AND RESELL IT TO OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS, THE RABBONIM ARE ALL BUSY WITH THAT MENUVAL WHO RAPED A GIRL IN HIS OFFICE LAST YEAR AND WAS ARRESTED THE CASE IS PENDING AGAINST HIM, NOW HE IS INVOLVED WITH THIS STORY,

 

IS THIS JACOBY THE SON OF MENDEL JACOBY FROM WILLIAMSBURG WHO WAS THROWN OUT OF GODINGER SILVER FOR STEALING 1 MILLION AS A BOOKEEPER?

 

YES, thats the Jacoby which is really Jacobowitz his mothers name is Shaindy and his father is Mendel who davens at the polish shtiebel on Ross Street.

 

to anon above about this Jacoby guy, last year when the story came out of him raping that girl in his office, the rabbanim in williamsburg convened a beis din where witnesses came forward and told the panel of the Menuvales of this shmiel Jacoby it was terrible to hear that a yungerman from us should do such horrible things, the rabbanim didn't want to release a public kol korah because of the sensitivity of this case but it is still ongoing.

 

wow, this Shmiel Jacoby should be thrown out not only from williamsburg but also from the entire jewish community.

 

Who is the wife of this Jacobi? nebech, nebech,

 

if the goyishe sandwich had a dovor charif like onion or garlic I think it's a problem to cut anything else with it after even watermelon

 

BREAKING NEWS! A witness Mr. B. Goldstien said he saw Dudi Schlesinger from Monsey a cousin to G. Schlesinger from Nassau provision deliver the treife chicken to Shevach.

 

Treifa meat has a hashpoa on the way a person thinks. its mashpia on the medos of a person,,its in all the seforim. how can a jew even think of doing such a thing?

 

This whole affair is becoming one big clown. A few clowns here are mudslinging it out,,Hey why dont you two go into a RING and punch the guts out on one another? Its good excersize to knock some shit out. Man O Man watch some TV they got some nice shows tonight

 

My husband is in Hashgocha, I have sleepless nights on Sunday and Wednesday, when he needs to be up all night Kashering Milk plants to make cheese. Not one to take things for granted, I dont buy prepackaged lettuce, My husband checks every piece of a whole Lettuce bunch when it comes into the house. I just want to say, that we dont know all that goes on behind the scenes. I know for example that Tropicana has Kosher runs, and that they Kasher out certain plants. Those are the ones then that get hechsherim on their products. In fact 100% grapefruit juice Not from concentrate, MUST have a hechsher, because if not, they use a coloring agent called carmine that comes from crushed beetles from Mexico. Some of the Tropicana Grapefruit Juice has a hechsher, and some doesnt,, are u going to say that it is all the same? You dont have to believe me, you can check in the archives of AOL. There are other examples of products that have a hechsher special with some Rabbi's name. Usually that means there was a special run with a yiras shomayim mashgiach on premises. I just want to say that some of you dont realize that there is a lot more than meets the eye. Sure there are R'shoim, but lets be dan l'kaf zchus, it is almost tishrei, and we dont need Hashem to judge us the way some of us judge others. A GUT GEBENTCHTE YOHR.
May we all merit the coming of Mashiach to take us out of this miserable golus NOW!

 

Its the real chickens here, no more dead neveilus, just real sick pupies here

 

I was wondering if the following stores can be trusted. Does anyone know if you can trust 1) Shefah and 2) Jerusalem both on 13th avenue in Boro Park. 3) Can you trust Chap-a-Nosh in Flatbush? Thank you.

 

To anon 9:06... Re Tropicana: What you say may be true of Grapefruit Juice, but not of Organge Juice. Nearly 30 years ago, when the "holy" companies first began branding OJ, I wrote to Tropicana, and the president confirmed to me in writing that there is no separation or kashering between the different brand's runs.

That's not to say there was a problem, there was certainly never a need to separate or kasher.My point is that it's not always -- or even usually -- the way you make it out to be...

 

I hope the admistrater of this blog can set up a seperate line for Kashrus so we can determine what is nogeah or not.

As per buying Glatt meats -

Lets start out at the basics.

You cannot buy from the slaughterhouse, you must by the meat from the supplier.

1) Agriprocessors - run by the Rubashkins. Now the largest in the US, they are constantly rocked by scandals involving business ethics, USDA, and Kashrus.

2) Alle Processing - aka Meal Mart, etc, run by the Weinstocks and Hollanders. They were once the largest, but agressive selling (undercutting of prices) by Rubashkin has gotten them worried in the past years. They branched out into many non food items.

3) International Glatt - also known at Globex, makes Abeles and Heymann Deli. Run by Chaimowitz. His Rabbonim have trashed the Star-K and Rabbi Heineman in recent years and have created a mud slinging contest that is an embarresment to Yiddishkeit

4) Real Kosher Sausage - also known as 999, run by the Hills. They are the oldest Glatt company in the US and the smallest.

These are the starting points of the largest distributers in the US, that are the most reliable. They are all under USDA, so they are allowed to wholesale meats to the public, LEGALLY. They are all under the OU and other Hashgachos. These a

What is the next step?

 

The Five Towns, Which the holy rollers look down upon as being modern orthodox,has a mashgiach tmidi at all establishments that sell meat.

 

I read the Sept 12 1:51 PM.

What is the next step?

THose companies listed already have packaged meats available for consumers. Stores should buy them and keep them in the refrigerated or freezer case. The packages are labeled with the name of the producers (Meal Mart, Aarons's Best, International and 999) so the consumer knows where the meat came from.

 

Can you guys just stop with the nonsense!!!

All of you!

Enough!

Lets stick to the topic about this Meat scandal, Please do not get family disputes involved in this blog!

Thanks

 

Regarding the big Glatt producers you mention; it should be noted that in all the major scandals that have emerged in the last several years not one has affected the kashrus of their products. They have all involved business matters only marginally related to kashrus at best: an internicine conflict between business partners leading to a bloody divorce, USDA, EPA and OSHA regulatory compliance issues and a blistering tete-a-tete with an aggressive labor union determined to enlist a producer's employees at all costs. Even PETA's revelations (the "Holocaust on a plate" folks) elicited a letter endorsed by virtually all major American Rabbinic agencies stating that kashrus "was never impacted"; pashkevilim thrown by a few well known nutjobs notwithstanding. The kashrus of these producers seem to have a pretty strong chazakah IMHO.

The major kashrus problems of recent years, OTOH, seem to be limited to the local distributors and retailers. So, yes, I second limiting one's meat and poultry purchases to factory sealed containers.

Regarding the orange juice story; you remind me of a joke told half-seriously by a former kashrus supervisor I know. He used to be the lead mashgiach at a cracker plant in upstate NY that produced supermarket "house" brands as well as some well known "heimische" brands. He quipped that his job required a variety of different headgear for different certifications: kippah serugah for the O-U, shtreimel and fake peyos for CRC-Hisachdus, black hat with upturned kasket for KAJ, etc. The point being that kosher was kosher as far as plant operation was concerned and that no special changes were made between runs of different brands. However, the "house" brand of the same crackers sold for $2-3 less per box than the heimishce one. Go figger.

 

Regarding all the meats and chicken plants. Kiryas Joel Schita is becoming one of the largest slaughterhouses for chickens. they have the best mashgichem.Reb Aaron Teitelbaum stops buy all the time to check how things are running. Due to this story K.J.will stop distributing chickens to groceries, or will distribute only packaged chickens. They must come up with some plan how to avoid another crazy guy from giving treif to the public. Does anybody have an idea how this can be avoided?

 

fast, are you? i need a champion runner for my jewish movie "the longest loshon hara lap" look for it on dvd, and in the book bobbe mysa. do not expect good reviews. this is a loshon hora forum. just put on caps and keep yelling.

 

RE- SCANDAL.....INSIST THAT ALL MEATS BE DATED VIA A COMPUTER INORDER TO TRACK THE VOLUME OF MEAT BEING SOLD IN A PARTICULAR STORE.MOREOVER, IT WILL IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF MEATS ETC. THAT WE ARE FEEDING OUR FAMILIES.

 

Yidden: Let's not forget our chore. We may have a bumb here and there, but at the end of the day,
"Mi keamcho Yisroel."

 

News
Faithful turn to KJ butcher after Rockland fake kosher scare
Inspectors pull cases of suspect chicken from shelves in Monsey


By Chris McKenna
September 14, 2006
Times Herald-Record
Dear reader: The grocery store where a butcher allegedly passed off non-kosher chicken as kosher is in Monsey. A headline in the print edition of today's Times Herald-Record incorrectly stated the butcher was from Kiryas Joel.
Kiryas Joel — The news has been roiling Orthodox Jewish circles for almost two weeks now — an astonishing scandal that made some wonder if the meat they were buying was truly kosher.

A Monsey butcher was accused of passing off nonkosher chicken as kosher, leading unsuspecting shoppers to commit a grave sin by ingesting meat that wasn't slaughtered and butchered in a manner dictated by ancient Jewish laws and tradition.

State inspectors yanked cases of suspect chicken from Hatzlocha Grocery and launched an investigation. Anguished customers purged their fridges and scoured their kitchens and cookware. Rabbis interrogated the butcher, Moshe Finkel, and issued stern edicts.

Thus far, the scandal has had little impact in Kiryas Joel, other than as a subject of horrified conversation. Few Kiryas Joel families bought meat at the Monsey store, although Finkel's goods are said to have made their way to Hasidic camps in the Catskills and to Monsey catering halls that some Kiryas Joel residents use.

One reverberation has been a surge of new customers at the Kiryas Joel Meat Market, which has been inundated with orders to deliver meat to Monsey homes.

"They call me. A lot of people have called me," said Cheskel Landau, the store manager. "People are very embarrassed."

CORRECTION: The grocery store where a butcher allegedly passed off non-kosher chicken as kosher is in Monsey. A headline in the Times Herald-Record today incorrectly stated the butcher was from Kiryas Joel.



He and an associate working yesterday at the storefront business in the Forest Road shopping center estimated that sales have jumped anywhere from 15 percent to 25 percent since the revelations about Finkel and his business, Shevach Meats, surfaced.

A supervisor at Kiryas Joel's chicken slaughterhouse helped expose the deception in Monsey by questioning how Finkel could still have Kiryas Joel poultry in his cases without having obtained any shipments in a couple of weeks.

The Kiryas Joel slaughterhouse, one of several suppliers that Finkel used, had cut off his supply because he hadn't paid his bills, community sources said.

The manager whose questions triggered the investigation declined to discuss the matter when approached yesterday at the slaughterhouse.

The state Department of Agriculture and Markets is still investigating the origins of the 15 chicken cases it confiscated, a spokeswoman said.



The department could fine Finkel as much as $1,000 for improperly labeling his products.



Is it kosher?
Kosher means "fit" in Hebrew and describes any foods fit for Jews to eat, based on rules first written in Leviticus and Deuteronomy and expanded many times over the years in other texts. For Jews who keep kosher, these dietary restrictions are an integral component of daily life and Jewish identity.

One well-known kosher mandate is that meat and dairy products cannot be mixed. Pork and shellfish are forbidden. Other guidelines dictate how animals should be slaughtered. A chicken, for instance, must be killed with a single razor slit and emptied of blood.

The strictest kosher rules are known as glatt kosher. Those who adhere to them look for the certification of a rabbi or kosher supervision agency when buying packaged food or dining at a restaurant.

 

I dont know who this Yid Finkel is but I know one thing. HOW CAN A PERSON WHO REPRESENTS HIMSELF AS ORTHODOX AND FOLLOWS THE TORAH FEED TREIFUS TO YIDDEN!WHERE IS THE FEAR OF HEAVEN!WHERE IS THE DREAD OF THE DAY OF DEATH! EVERY PERSON WILL HAVE TO GIV A DIN AND CHESHBON AFTER 120!How can a person like this daven three times daily?WHERE IS THE FEAR OF GEHENNIM!THEN WE WONDER WHY TRADGEDIES STRIKE OUR COMMUNITY!!!

 

To Anonymous
September 12, 2006 1:51 PM

I believe Brach's uses their own slaughterhouse. See
http://tinyurl.com/eujog

 

i saw "Gebaken nuch pesach 5755" on products in a grocery this summer. think they put on the wrong stickers by mistake???

 

Kosher Labeling Law Passed





Jewish communities in the state of Virginia have successfully lobbied for enactment of a kosher labeling statute. The new Virginia law requires that any food offered for sale as kosher be labeled with the name of the person or organization certifying the item kosher. Violations are punishable by a $500 fine. With the new law in place, the responsibility for selling mislabeled food now falls on the vendor.

Rabbi Leibel Fajnland of Chabad of Northern Virginia agrees that the statute fills a real need. He said that the government should empower citizens to ensure that neither suppliers nor merchants take advantage of their efforts to fulfill a "cornerstone" spiritual practice.

 

Just reported in mesorat that MOSHE FINKEL IS DEAD

 

did finkel off himself?

 

even in many places were the mashgiach "has the key".it is not truly locked.
pins from hinges can be removed. hasps can be unscrewed.
i have seen the above in some places.
i have also seen places were it is truly locked.i.e. only the mashgiach has the padlocks to the restaurant gate
how about security cameras that the mashgiach can view

 

Mr. Finkel never sent chickens to new square because he was afraid a chicken might start to talk

 

Did anyone see the 45 cases of chicken sitting on the sidewalk of 17th Avenue & 56th street yesterday with KJ labels on it with a chasidishe fellow saying he works for KJ & that the truck did not have enough room for this load so it was a drop off point for a customer who needed a large order before yom tov & he picks it up from there.

 

I WAS JUST LOOKING THRU SOME OF THE KASHRUS COMMENTS DO PEOPLE IN FLATBUSH HAVE ANY IDEA AS TO HOW THE RABONIM & SUPPOSED OVERSEERS OF KASHRUS LOOK AWAY AT WRONG DOING BY THEIR PEERS? RABBI GORNISH (WHO'S DOLE PRODUCTS HAD CROUTONS INCLUDED ON PESACH,I'M SURE THEY WERE YOSHON) GIVES HECHSHERIM TO ALL COMERS WITHOUT REGARD TO THEIR PAST HISTORY OR TO THEIR TRUSTWORTHYNESS. A CERTAIN EATERY ON A MAIN STREET IN FLATBUSH HAD QUESTIONABLE DRINKS ON IT'S BAR & WHEN QUESTIONED THE MANAGER STATED THAT THE RABBI CHECKS IT(WHAT?HIS CHECK?) EVERY WEEK. THE MAN HAS NO INKLING AS TO WHAT GOES ON IN THE PLACES UNDER HIS (SIC). HECHSHER