Wednesday, May 13, 2009
Time to say Kaddish for the non-Orthodox
The [Conservative and Reform movements are] suffering from -- pick your poison -- malaise, failure of nerve, lack of transparency and inclusivity, hemorrhaging of members. The situation is said to be so bad that Rabbi Norman Lamm, the chancellor of Yeshiva University, told the Jerusalem Post this week that we should say Kaddish for both the Conservative and Reform movements.
"The Conservatives are in a mood of despondency and pessimism. They are closing schools and in general shrinking," he said.
"The Reform Movement may show a rise, because if you add goyim to Jews then you will do OK," added Lamm, referring to the Reform Movement's policy, starting in 1983, of recognizing patrilineal descent.
The National Jewish Population Survey of 2001 found that of the 46 percent of US Jewish households belonging to a synagogue, 33% were affiliated with a Conservative synagogue, a 10% fall from the 1990 survey. In contrast, the Reform Movement was up from 35% to 38% and Orthodox Jews rose from 16% to 22%. Two percent were affiliated with the Reconstructionist Movement and 5% with "other types" of synagogues.
Sociologists familiar with US Jewry believe that similar trends continue.
"Reform is out of the picture, because they never got into the picture, and the Conservatives are getting out of the picture," Lamm said.
"The future of American Jewry is in the hands of haredim and the modern Orthodox. We have to find ways of working together."
http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/article/2009/05/12/1005091/time-to-say-kaddish-for-the-non-orthodox
"The Conservatives are in a mood of despondency and pessimism. They are closing schools and in general shrinking," he said.
"The Reform Movement may show a rise, because if you add goyim to Jews then you will do OK," added Lamm, referring to the Reform Movement's policy, starting in 1983, of recognizing patrilineal descent.
The National Jewish Population Survey of 2001 found that of the 46 percent of US Jewish households belonging to a synagogue, 33% were affiliated with a Conservative synagogue, a 10% fall from the 1990 survey. In contrast, the Reform Movement was up from 35% to 38% and Orthodox Jews rose from 16% to 22%. Two percent were affiliated with the Reconstructionist Movement and 5% with "other types" of synagogues.
Sociologists familiar with US Jewry believe that similar trends continue.
"Reform is out of the picture, because they never got into the picture, and the Conservatives are getting out of the picture," Lamm said.
"The future of American Jewry is in the hands of haredim and the modern Orthodox. We have to find ways of working together."
http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/article/2009/05/12/1005091/time-to-say-kaddish-for-the-non-orthodox
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"The future of American Jewry is in the hands of haredim and the modern Orthodox. We have to find ways of working together."
Rabbi Lamm must be kidding. Hareidim believe that Modern Orthodox are a bunch of Koferim. Its just a matter of time before they assert that MO are forbidden to marry their sect, disdain MO shechita, forbid davening in MO shuls, etc etc.
A generation from today, hareididm will view MO as today's Conservative Judaism.
Rabbi Lamm must be kidding. Hareidim believe that Modern Orthodox are a bunch of Koferim. Its just a matter of time before they assert that MO are forbidden to marry their sect, disdain MO shechita, forbid davening in MO shuls, etc etc.
A generation from today, hareididm will view MO as today's Conservative Judaism.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by 
: May 13, 2009 11:51 AM
: May 13, 2009 11:51 AM
To May 13th 11:51AM,
Hey Bozo,
There are more charedim leaving Judaism from Charedi families then from Modern Orthodox Families, don’t believe me? just go to Malkis Schwartz Footsteps and meet all the former Bies Yakov Girls and former Belzer, Puppa and Satmar Yeshivah Bucherim.
Hey Bozo,
There are more charedim leaving Judaism from Charedi families then from Modern Orthodox Families, don’t believe me? just go to Malkis Schwartz Footsteps and meet all the former Bies Yakov Girls and former Belzer, Puppa and Satmar Yeshivah Bucherim.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : May 13, 2009 8:47 PM
: May 13, 2009 8:47 PM
To :May 13, 2009 8:47 PM
You need to read more comments more carefully before adding yours.
My comments were not at all sympathetic to chareidim. I think that they're a bunch of fundamentalist boneheads and would like to see a lot more at Footsteps meetings.
You need to read more comments more carefully before adding yours.
My comments were not at all sympathetic to chareidim. I think that they're a bunch of fundamentalist boneheads and would like to see a lot more at Footsteps meetings.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : May 14, 2009 10:19 PM
: May 14, 2009 10:19 PM
Of course we should say Kaddish for them.
They also have Neshumes and need help after life. As Chazal tell us that Kaddish helps take a Neshume out of Gehenem. And I believe that the conservative Gehenem is petty rough.
Fort Yidden.......
If we don't say Kaddish for them who will?
Their children don't even sit Shiva for them unless they become Baal Teshuva = Orthodox!
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They also have Neshumes and need help after life. As Chazal tell us that Kaddish helps take a Neshume out of Gehenem. And I believe that the conservative Gehenem is petty rough.
Fort Yidden.......
If we don't say Kaddish for them who will?
Their children don't even sit Shiva for them unless they become Baal Teshuva = Orthodox!
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : May 15, 2009 11:26 AM
: May 15, 2009 11:26 AM
