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What a blatant Chillul Hashem this is! Gevalt! What kind of
"rebbe(s)" can allow this to go on??

...The apple does indeed fall far from the tree.

And to whoever says that the chasidim, not Aaron or Zalmen,are the ones who behave like this:
N-O-T T-R-U-E

I personally believe that the "grand Rabbi's" know exactly whats going on and they do nothing to stop it.

What an embarassment to the whole Satmar sect!

 

How come video part #5 and #7 are not shown?

 

An expensive chillul Hashem Think of how much each side spent of the lawyers just to argue about who controls the lucrative money making operations of Satmar. Is this what Chassidus is all about????

 

BS"D

I am a Chossid of the "real" Satmar Rebbe ZY"U (R. Yoilish)

I too am horrified by all this court stuff. It is embarrassing, and wrong. You all are correct that the pseudo rebbes know... in this case.

There is no excuse. I understand that Aron was told he would be rebbe, and that he believes he is right. But that does not give him the right to do this. Nor does it give him the right to use other tactics he used in the past. I give him credit that maybe he can learn better than his brother Zali, but he does not have the midois that we can respect.

To be honest, maybe I am being too harsh on them, but I could not call either brother my rebbe.

When asked "Vehmen's Chussid bist di?"

I reply with sadness, "Ich bin a Chussid fin der freerdicker Satmar Rov, Reb Yoilish, ZY"U." I am clear which "Freerdicker" I mean.

I avoided the politics after the "Real" Satmar Rebbe was niftar, but I regret it. I should have been outspoken and sided with the Bnei Yoel.

To Aron and Zali, I sing: "Children Behave!"

 

True, this is an expensive Chillul Hashem.
True, this is embarrassing and wrong.

But, don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

This entire internal Satmar fight may be, and is totally wrong, but that does not and should not be considered to undue the tremendous good the Satmar people do.

To use the word so overused in the video:
Satmar is "undisputed" to be the MOST charitable of all Jewish groups.
Satmar is "undisputed" to be have the most extensive and far-reaching Bikur Cholim policies, helping ANY Jewish person, no matter his/her affiliation.
Satmar is "undisputed" to be the the Chassidish community that started in the US with a handful of people, and have, under the Satmar Rebbe, Rov Yoel Teitlebaum, built one of the largest, is not the very largest Chassidishe kehilla in the world.... maybe even largest JEWISH Kehilla in the WORLD.

Satmar is "undisputed" to be the the Chassidish community that started in the US with a handful of people, and have, under the Satmar Rebbe, Rov Yoel Teitlebaum, built one of the largest, is not the very largest Chassidishe Yeshiva in the world.... maybe even largest Yeshiva in the WORLD.

FURTHER UNDISPUTED:

Their Yeshivas are open to all who can not pay one dime in tuition/schar limud.
Their Moisdos help Jews from other kehillas.
Their Moisdois actually SUPPORT some other "Non-Satmar" yeshivas who were unable to support themselves, and all this with no strings attached.
Satmar does not try to "convert" people to Satmar.

A Yid from ANY kehilla is aways welcome in Satmar to daven, and is NEVER subjected to attempts to make him a Satmar Chossid.
(They do ask that one respect them enough to not preach some other agenda in their kehillas, and they should have the right to do that.)

After considering all the wonderful good in Jew Helping Jew that Satmar Does, and continues to do despite all this wrong and foolishness in court, I would respond:
"YES, THIS IS Chassidus! "

Can I side with either of the brothers? NO WAY.
Would I say I am a chossid of either of them? NO WAY.

But, I will not attack Satmar for this, I will say that I abhor what they are doing in court, and I say it is DEAD WRONG, but I still consider the good acts by Satmar to be wonderful, and laudable.

 

The older lawyer seems very in control and confident, while the younger one seems to be sweating and stuttering the entire time.

(Couldn't figure out what each party's claims were, but it was amusing nonetheless.)

 

both brothers should have known NOT TO ALLOW this video on the website.

What a Bizayon, what a chillul hashem!

 

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH:
WHAT WAS REB AARONS PEOPLE SUPPOSE TO DO. REB ZALMENS PEOPLE STOLE ALL THE BUILDINGS AND ALL THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THE REB AARONS PEOPLE GAVE FOR THE NEW SHUL. MOST PEOPLE GAVE THOUSANDS FOR SEATS AND ZALMENS PEOPLE TOOK IT AWAY. MY MOTHER IS 85 YRS OLD AND SHE GAVE HER LAST PENNEY FOR THIS SHUL ($15,000), MY IN LAWS ARE 80 AND THEY GAVE 10,000.
DO YOU KNOW THAT REB ZALMEN DID NOT WANT TO GO TO DIN TORAH. WHAT WAS MY PARENTS AND IN-LAWS SUPPOSE TO DO? SIT AND WATCH HOW THEIR MONEY GOES TO ALL THE GANOVIM.
DO YOU KNOW THAT REB AARONS PEOPLE HAVE A HETER FROM 5 RABONIN THAT THEY CAN GO TO COURT IF THE PARY DOES NOT WANT TO GO TO DIN TORAH.
REB AARON NEVER WENT TO COURT. HE IS TOO INVOLVED IN RUNNING YESHIVAHS AND LEARNING.
BEFORE YOU BLAME THESE PEOPLE CHECK THE FACTS. THIS COURT CASE WAS AFTER THEY BEGGED REB ZALMEN TO GO TO DIN TORAH!!!

 

how false to be
reb aaron sent a hazmanah to reb zalmen and reb aaron didnt want to sign the paper that says that whatever the din torah will pasken hel obey instead he sent yitzchak rosenberg to sign
what a joke that would have been
of caurse reb zalmen said no way jose im not going to a din torah like that

 

SURE HE DID'NT WANT TO GO TO DIN TORAH. HE KNEW THAT REB AHRON WILL WIN THE DIN TORAH.
IF REB AARON IS SO TERRIBLE HOW YOU PORTRAY HIM AND REB ZALMEN IS SUCH A TZADIK WHY DID REB ZALMEN NOT ALLOW HIS FATHER TO GO TO REB AARONS SIMCHAS WHEN HE WAS OLD AND WAS ABLE TO BE MANIPULATED.
LETS FACE IT REB ZALMEN AND HIS PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF MANIPULATERS RUNNING SATMAR LIKE A CHESS GAME. EVERY SHTICK WAS PREPLANED. REB ZALMEN AND MOISHE GABBE KNEW THE OLD MAN (TEB MOISHE) WAS VULNERABLE, SO THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION AND DID EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO THEIR BENEFIT.
THEY HAD REB MOISHE SIGN ALL FALSE DOCUMENTS.
THEY DID NOT WANT TO GO TO DIN TORAH
THEY DID NOT ALLOW THE FATHER TO GO TO AARONS SIMCHAS.
THEY DID NOT ALLOW REB AARON TO VISIT HIS FATHER.
WHO HEARD OF SUCH A GANG OF MAFIA HOODLUMS?
ZALMEN, YOUR TIME WILL COME.... YOU ARE GANVENING EVERYTHING FROM OLD AND YOUNG CHUSHAVAH PEOPLE.
-SUF GANEV LETLEAH-
WHILE YOU ARE BREAKING UP SATMER. YOUR BROTHER IS BUSY LEARNING TORAH, GIVING DVAR TORAH DRUSHAS, BUILDING KOSHER SLAUGHTERHOUSES, BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS AND YESHIVAHS, BUILDING MATZAH BAKERIES WITH MORE KOSHER MATZOHS ETC,
ALL THIS WHILE YOU ARE BUSY THROWING OUT MELAMDEM THAT ARE AHRONIM, THROWING OUT PEOPLE FROM YOUR SHULS, TEACHING YOUR TALMIDUM HOW TO RESPECT AN OLDER BROTHER. SHOW ME ONE THING THAT YOU ACCOMPLISHED SINCE YOUR FATHERS DEATH. YES I FORGOT YOU HAD YOUR TALMIDUM YELL AND THROW STONES ON SHOBBOS IN WILLIAMSBURG WHEN SOMEBODY CARRIES OR WHEELS A CARRIAGE. SINCE WHEN ARE BUCHARIM SUPPOSE TO FOLLOW WOMEN WITH CARRIAGES YELLING AT THEM AND THROWING STONES.
I HAPPEN TO BE A PUPA CHUSID AND MY REBBE REB FISHELE MADE THE EREV IN WILLIAMSBURG AND I CARRY ON SHOBBOS. REB FISHEL WILL NEVER DO WHAT YOU DO WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE SATMAR PEOPLE. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WERE PAINED WHEN THEY WERE THROWN OUT OF THEIR SHUL?
WHAT KIND OF A MANHIG DO YOU WANT TO BE IF THIS IS HOW YOU WANT TO RUN YOUR KAHILA?

 

I find this blog to be amazing!

If a headline on this blog were to attack a school teacher for making a foolish and close-minded statement in a letter to the Yeted newspaper that only people from New York can have a valid hashkofah on methods of Chinuch, two or three comments would undoubtedly follow attacking Chabad for having bor-al-gabai-bor mikvahs in places outside New York and for allowing Rubashkin to import meat there (of course it is unlikely that a Lubavitcher teacher would make the above close-minded comment or that a Lubavitcher teacher would be a regular reader of the Yeted, but so what, let’s take the opportunity to bash Chabad).

If a headline on this blog were to proclaim that an international space station has been established, then would expect at least two or three comments bemoaning that now Chabad will establish a Chabad House on the space station.

If two Satmerer Chasidim are arguing about who the true leader of Satmer is, then we can expect someone to post a comment that he is a real Satmer Chosid -- and prove it by bashing Chabad –- implying that Satmer is the most wonderful Chasidus because it is not Chabad.

If the New York Yankees win the World Series . . . well that is too bad because now Chabad will be present in force with tefillin booths at the parade honoring the Yankees.

At this point, I wonder if it is Chabad Chasidim who see the world through the lens of Chabad or perhaps even more so its detractors.

 

Mr. 11:44

Chabad has nothing to do with this story. No one is blaming Chabad for this. We have two brothers both believing they are right, and doing what they can to get what they think they deserve, or at least what was promised to them.

The Sigete (their father A"H) was, loy uleini, in a bad state his last years, and lead both brothers to each believe he would be the rebbe.

I understand all that. But what they are doing is DEAD WRONG!

I LOVE SATMAR, but I will tell you that I am ashamed of all this.

From what I see, neither has been a tzadik in this milchuma.

Yes, the father told Aron he would be IT .. but maybe after seeing the way he ran KJ he had second thoughts... I don't know.

All I know is that this fighting is wrong. Aron is wrong and Zalman Leib is wrong.

Yes, maybe Aron can learn better, but I tend to see fewer bad midois in Zalmen Leib.

Funny too, is that I am not comparing them by saying "More Good Medois" ... I am saying "Fewer Bad Midois" That is a shame.

The Real Satmar Rov ZY"U would never have condoned the strong-arm tactics used by Aron to rule KJ.

When the "Real Rebbe" was alive, there was consensus over conflict. Oh, sure, every large kehilla will have some element of conflict, but the overall tone was on consensus and efforts to solve conflicts.

Today, we see pure conflict with neither side willing to compromise.

To be honest, I wish both would simply go away somewhere, and let somone else run the show.

Both brothers have proved to ME that neither is deserving of the title.

I am a Satmar Chossid, but not of the rebbe's of today. I am a Satmar Chossid of the Real Satmar Rebbe, R. Yoilish ZY"U

 

EVERY CHASIDUS HAS FIGHTS. BOBOV, PUPA, KRASNA, VISHNITZ ETC.
FIGHTS BETWEEN CHASIDIM IS GOING ON SINCE CHASIDUS STARTED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE FED UP FROM BEING A CHUSID, BUT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU TAKE SIDES. WHAT DO YOU KNOW WHAT SATMAR REBBE WANTED? BY TAKING SIDES YOU ARE HELPING IN THE MACHLOIKA.
REB AARON IS THE OLDEST SON. AND IS THE HEIR ACCORDING TO THE TORAH.
I AM NOT SATMAR AND I DO NOT TAKE SIDES BUT I KNOW HALACHA.

 

such a waste of time to hear all of the testimonies

The judges have some sense of humor and so much smarter than the lawyers

 

>>EVERY CHASIDUS HAS FIGHTS. BOBOV, PUPA, KRASNA, VISHNITZ ETC.
FIGHTS BETWEEN CHASIDIM IS GOING ON SINCE CHASIDUS STARTED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE FED UP FROM BEING A CHUSID, BUT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU TAKE SIDES. WHAT DO YOU KNOW WHAT SATMAR REBBE WANTED? BY TAKING SIDES YOU ARE HELPING IN THE MACHLOIKA.
REB AARON IS THE OLDEST SON. AND IS THE HEIR ACCORDING TO THE TORAH.
I AM NOT SATMAR AND I DO NOT TAKE SIDES BUT I KNOW HALACHA.

Apparently, you don't. The older son would get it, but not if there is a tzavah against it. . .

Ahron and Zali are arguing about power. They used arkaos akum, and for that, according to the Mechaber, they are both reshoim and michallelei hashem b'rabim. I don't see how anyone could look at such people as prospective "rebbes," as they are not any better than a proste layman who would do the same thing. I would never go to an average man like Zali for a bruchu. And even though Ahron can learn, its only by Satmar standards. He demonstrated in Lakewood a relatively clear understanding of taam k'ikkar. But it did not come close to what the talmidei chachomim over there are capable of producing. And don't tell me is an anav. We all know about his personality problems.

Better people would have declined to be a Rebbe given their enormous flaws. But they are greedy. Its a shame their great uncle is not around to slap them around.

Those brats needs a lot of petch.

Instead of burning down a lady's car for not dressing tznius, why not burn the Rebbe's car for acring like a Rasha? Oh, I forgot, he is the Godfather. He is in charge. You are all scared of that crook.

 

>>Satmar is "undisputed" to be the the Chassidish community that started in the US with a handful of people, and have, under the Satmar Rebbe, Rov Yoel Teitlebaum, built one of the largest, is not the very largest Chassidishe Yeshiva in the world.... maybe even largest Yeshiva in the WORLD.

Check your facts, please. I don't even think Satmar produced the largest Chassidishe Yeshiva, let alone the largest Yeshiva in the world. And let's not even go into the quality of the learning in those "yeshivos." Come on, be an honest person. Satmar is rife with evil. Satmar did not invent bikkur cholim, it is done by everyone, in every Jewish Kehilla from "chassidim" to Jews all over the world. The same goes for every "laudable" thing you describe about Satmar--EVERYONE does it. Should they get credit for kissing their mothers, too? Your apologetics are pathetic.

Satmar produced ignorant bums who love to fight. The Milchama shel Torah is the furthest thing from their small, tiny little minds. So many Satmar boys are going off the derech because of the superficiality, the emphasis of externalities, and complete lack of depth in your circles. This is not to say that they are actively looking for challenges in their learning--i.e., by becoming part of the Jews in Lakewood or anywhere else. But, still, Satmar created an undiplicated influx of disillusioned boys who no longer want to be chassidish. . . Because they are full of sheker, gneiva and are chazir treif.